Friday, 20 May 2016



1. The Powers-That-Be may not want a president such as Clinton or Trump.

They may prefer a military man to be in charge.

2. Gen. David L. Goldfein 'is to be chief of staff of the US Air Force'.

Might he be a friend of the Powers-That-Be?

3. Retired Gen. Michael Hayden, who recently led the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency, has said:

"I would be incredibly concerned if a President Trump governed in a way that was consistent with the language that Candidate Trump expressed during the campaign." 



4. The Business Plot was 'a coup attempt in the United States' in 1933.

Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler claimed that wealthy businessmen were plotting to to overthrow President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

In 1935, John L. Spivak published the first of two articles revealing portions of Congressional committee testimony that had been redacted.

Spivak argued that the plot was part of a "conspiracy of Jewish financiers working with fascist groups".

He referred specifically to Felix Warburg, the McCormack–Dickstein Committee, and certain members of the American Jewish Committee in collusion with J. P. Morgan.

5. "Reports from many 'right of center' sources including The Daily Caller and the Military Times ... are saying that billionaires are working behind the scenes to basically circumvent our entire election process and the electoral college to install 'their guy.'

"Their guy is retired general James Mattis, former head of Centcom and arguably one of the Marine’s most popular leaders among the troops.

"According to the Times, the plan, while relatively simple, would probably be impossible to pull off unless you owned Congress.

"Fortunately, for the billionaires, they do own Congress."

Billionaires Drafting General Mattis. / Billionaires' choice for President

Below is what we wrote earlier:

19 MAY 2016

According to the above poll:

Only 11% of Hillary Clinton supporters actually like Clinton.

Only 6% of Trump Supporters actually like Trump.

According to a Fox News poll in May 2016:

61% of Americans have a negative view of Clinton.

56% have a negative view of Trump.

37% have a favourable opinion of Clinton.

41% have a favourable opinion of Trump.

Fox News Poll: Clinton's negatives surpass Trump's

Trump and his friend Henry Kissinger. THEY'RE ALL NATIONAL SOCIALISTS; TRUMP AND CLINTON...

With White voters, Trump leads Clinton 55% to 31%.

Trump pulls ahead of Clinton in new national poll

White voters like Trump's support of Israel, and Trump's attitude to Moslems.

Michael Glassner (above) arranged the deal that gave the lease of the World Trade Center to the Larry Silverstein Group.[7] Michael Glassner, formerly of AIPAC, is now Donald Trump's top political planner.

Google and the mainstream media tend to hide the anti-Trump stories about Roy Cohn, Jeffrey Epstein, 'Katie Johnson' and Trump's links to Bilderberg and the Trilateral Commission.


Trump "receives glowing press from Israel Hayom, Adelson's ultra-right-wing daily newspaper."

Sheldon Adelson supports Trump.


Here is what we wrote on 12 May 2016:

On 6 April 2016, the Australian politician Crispin Rovere pointed out that Donald Trump is a Nixon-Kissinger Realist.

One could say that Kissinger is a realist when it comes to Clinton?

The latest Quinnipiac poll, May 2016, shows that in Florida and Pennsylvania, Clinton is ahead of Trump by only 1%.

Clinton 43% - Trump 42%.

Clinton is in trouble, as she has to win in Florida and Pennsylvania.

Trump is now ahead in Ohio.

Trump and Kissinger.

Back in 1969, much of the American public was fed up with 'interventionism'.

The Powers-That-Be got Nixon to pretend to be the friend of the non-interventionists.

Nixon got elected as president, in 1969.

In 1969, Nixon delivered a speech in Guam, and summarized what became known as 'the Nixon Doctrine':

"I want to be sure that our policies in the future, all over the world ... reduce American involvement."

To many, 'the Nixon Doctrine' meant Isolationism.

Donald Trump is a Nixon-Kissinger Realist

Donald Trump .

But Nixon, and his mate Kissinger, carried on with the war in Vietnam until 1973.

Trump isn't an isolationist.

He has admitted that he would bomb Syria, and put boots on the ground in Syria and in Iraq.

Trump and Kissinger both have German-Jewish origins, reportedly.

In a poll in early May 2016, 41% of 'likely' voters support Clinton, and 40% support Trump, with 19% undecided.

One might expect most of the 'undecided' to eventually opt for Clinton?


A Los Angeles Times poll from March 2016 found that eight out of 10 Sanders supporters would vote for Clinton - however reluctantly.

But at the Sacramento rally in May 2016, fewer than half of the 22 Sanders' supporters spoken to by the Guardian said they would even consider voting for Clinton if Sanders was not the nominee.

Several would write in Bernie Sanders instead - or vote Green, or simply not vote at all. 

Three indicated they would go as far as voting for Trump - and one said that faced with a choice of Clinton or Trump, he would move to Britain.

What if Kissinger and the Powers-That-Be see Hillary Clinton as being the unpopular Hubert Humphrey and Donald Trump as being the more popular Richard Nixon?

Kissinger, when asked about Trump said: "Well, I like Donald Trump. I know him personally....

"China ... If they challenge our fundamental interests, we're going to confront them."


What surprises might there be between now and November 2016?

A lot will depend on the economy.

BELOW, is what we wrote earlier:

In a 4 May 2016 CNN/ORC Poll Clinton leads Trump 54% to 41%, a 13-point lead, her largest lead since last July 2015.

Clinton is also more trusted than Trump on many issues voters rank as critically important, with one big exception. 

By a 50% to 45% margin, voters say Trump would do a better job handling the economy than Clinton would.

Sanders would beat Trump 51-to-38 percent, based on aggregated polling data on the Huffington Post.

"U.S. political analysts say the last quarter century of presidential elections also would seem to favor Clinton. 

"One map showed this week that to win the presidency, she would need only to capture 20 of the country's 50 states in November's national election against Trump, the 19 that have voted for Democratic candidates in the past six presidential elections, plus the large southeastern political battleground state of Florida, where one poll shows her ahead of Trump by 13 percentage points."

On 2 May 2016, a rogue Rasmussen poll had Clinton and Trump tied.

Rasmussen Reports gave voters the option of staying home on Election Day if Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are the big party nominees, and six percent (6%) said that’s what they intend to do for now. 

Clinton and Trump were tied with 38% support each; 16% said they would vote for some other candidate, and two percent (2%) were undecided.

Below, you see what we wrote earlier:

2 Apr 2016

In recent Trump versus Clinton polls, Trump  trails Clinton in every key state, including Florida and Ohio.

Clinton leads Trump by double digits in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Politics|Electoral Map Is a Reality Check to Trump's Bid

Clinton is not popular with many 'swing voters', but, Trump is unpopular even with lots of republican voters.

Trump could turn otherwise safe Republican states into tight contests. 

Politics|Electoral Map Is a Reality Check to Trump's Bid

The people who hate Trump the most include large majorities of women, nonwhites, Hispanics, voters under 30 and those with college degrees. 

Among independents, 19 percent have a favorable opinion of Trump, but 57 percent view him unfavorably.

Trump is viewed unfavorably by a majority of whites without college degrees.

With white women, 23 percent view Trump favorably, while 54 percent have an unfavorable opinion of him. 

Neil Newhouse, a veteran Republican pollster, says: "In the modern polling era, since around World War II, there hasn't been a more unpopular potential presidential nominee than Donald Trump."


The share of Americans with an unfavorable view of Trump: 

68% in the most recent Bloomberg poll, 

67% in the CNN/ORC survey, 

67% in the ABC/Washington Post poll, 

65% from Gallup.

Having a positive view are 23% of women and 36% of men, Gallup found.

Donald Trump is now the least popular American politician in three decades.

Conclusion - Trump is deliberately trying to help Hillary Clinton to win.

Donald Trump Won't Rule Out dropping Nuclear Weapons on Europe.

Trump has been trying to lose.

The Powers-That-Be want to keep the USA as a right-wing state that helps the rich to rob the poor.

- You actually think that socialism is anything other than a colossal failure everywhere its been tried.

You actually think that Capitalism is anything other than a colossal failure everywhere its been tried.

"The world's wealthiest 62 people now own as much as the poorest half of the planet's population."

"The richest 1% now own as much as everyone else put together."

global inequality.

Countries such as Singapore, Norway and Switzerland are part capitalist and part socialist. We are talking about "borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth." The World's Happiest Countries - Forbes. All of the above countries are wealthier than the USA.

Many American voters have been brainwashed into thinking that only extremist Capitalism works.

What does moderate socialism mean?

1. Regulation of dodgy banks and dangerous corporations.

2. A social security system that looks after the handicapped.

3. Decent public transport.


In the early 1900s, socialists led the movements for votes for women, child labour laws, consumer protection laws and the progressive income tax.

The UK is mainly Capitalist.

Patricia rents a small flat in a poor area of London London.

Patricia gets up at 3.30am, and then catches the first of three buses to take her to work.

Patricia works seven days a week as a cleaner.

Patricia's last day off was in December 2015.

Patricia has been earning £6.70 an hour.

She works for a cleaning company and cleans toilets, dishes and carpets.

Dawn workers forced to clean toilets seven days a week / UK companies look for loopholes around living wage

Big capitalist corporations receive billions annually from governments "under the guise of stimulating job growth."

Moderate socialism/capitalism is not necessarily problematic.

Support for torture in US grows to 63 percent – poll

Miscarriage of Justice in America - Ivan Teluguz

Donald Trump Foreign Policy Team Member Connected to Offshore Gas Drilling in Israel


  1. Please can we be spared Watson's face? Looking at him makes me feel sick.

    1. Seconded.....vile racist


  3. For the first time in my life I'm reading Sinclair Lewis's 'It Can't Happen Here'; and every page or two I'm gobsmacked. With the exception of some archaic language and plot devices, Lewis could writing this novel today about Trump and America's fascination with accepting out and out fascism as the path to a new tomorrow. If you haven't read the book, there's no better time than now.

    Oh and have others seen this petition? I signed it because if I were locked in a convention hall with American neocons and israel supporters I'd want to be armed to the teeth, too:

    'May you live in interesting times' goes the quote. Well, one man's 'interesting' is another man's 'insane'.


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    1. & not by accident of course - 'Reversal Of Reality' is a known propaganda technique -

      Herman and Chomsky exposed these deceitful right-wing distortions in Manufacturing of Consent -

  5. 'The UK is mainly capitalist', and they say the US is too. But I reckon without all the right wing propaganda, which the 00.1% have pumped loads of money into, most of the conservative support would collapse.

    There will always be some hard-core working class dickheads who support the Conservatives because they are fascists and not very intelligent (they are what the ruling class have always used as canon fodder). And there will always be some hard-core middleclass Conservatives supporters too. But the majority of people would gravitate towards the moderate centre left if the media were able to present the facts more evenly so people could make an informed choice.

  6. No freaking way, she won't, the world can't afford that.
    Trump's been exposing the TPTB all the way and his role will be clear at the big finish.
    BTW your assessment has been faulty at times, most glaring example is believing these blatant, pathetic Polish hasbara propaganda supporting current judeo-anglo-atlantist traitorous government. Shame on you.



  9. My take is, the Republicans have been out of power for(two terms) eights years. The pattern has been now, for more then thirty years, each political party gets to stay in office for two terms(8years). Then, the convenient switch. Switch time is nie, Obama was the false hope for the poor Democrats. Now, Trump is the false hope of the poor Republicans. Predictable, no?

  10. And who could possibly have a favorable view of Hillary Clinton. Support for here only indicates the percentage of the population that has been reduced to a level one could be hard pressed to even call human.

  11. Yes. Clinton's only hope was an opponent even more unelectable than she is. This will end very badly.

  12. I found this article rather compelling.


  13. From 'Propaganda' by Edward Bernays -

    "Undoubtedly the public is becoming aware of the methods which are being used to mold its opinions and habits. If the public is better informed about the processes of its own life, it will be so much the more receptive to reasonable appeals to its own interests. No matter how sophisticated, how cynical the public may become about publicity methods, it must respond to the basic appeals, because it will always need food, crave amusement, long for beauty, respond to leadership.
    If the public becomes more intelligent in its commercial demands, commercial firms will meet the new standards. If it becomes weary of the old methods used to persuade it to accept a given idea or commodity, its leaders will present their appeals more intelligently.
    Propaganda will never die out. Intelligent men must realize that propaganda is the modern instrument by which they can fight for productive ends and help to bring order out of chaos. "

    Ordo Ab Chao is the motto of the 33rd Degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry.

    It reflects Problem/Reaction/Solution and 'Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis' of the Hegelian Dialectic developed by the Frankfurt School and absorbed into the economic philosophies of leading psychopaths. It has been adopted as a tool for conformity in everything from going to war to writing your essays -

    "For the purposes of writing MCAT essays, the dialectic describes the progression of ideas in a critical thought process that is the force driving your argument. A good dialectical progression propels your arguments in a way that is satisfying to the reader.

    The thesis is an intellectual proposition.
    The antithesis is a critical perspective on the thesis.
    The synthesis solves the conflict between the thesis and antithesis by reconciling their common truths, and forming a new proposition."

    IMO this is a method for the psychopath to rationalise and control a world where they can't understand the motivations of the other 99%. They get what they want and we get the bare minimum to suvive so they can keep leeching off us.

    And we're so uneducated in propaganda and our trust of eachother has been so eroded by it that instead of hanging them in the square we end up letting them control the world.

  14. Regime Change - Clinton Syria complicity ? Unlawful arms dealing divert from intended destination on end user cert' a "Blue Lantern" fail.

    US embassy cable - 09STATE79547
    Identifier: 09STATE79547
    Wikileaks: View 09STATE79547 at
    Origin: Secretary of State
    Created: 2009-07-30 16:02:00
    Classification: SECRET
    Redacted: This cable was not redacted by Wikileaks.


    DE RUEHC #9547 2111619
    R 301602Z JUL 09

    S E C R E T STATE 079547


    E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/29/2034
    ON LICENSE 050180371

    REF: A. IIR 7 100 0572 09 OF 1 JULY 2009
    B. TD-314/085344-08 OF 24 NOVEMBER 2008

    What do you know about the arms trafficking of previous years, and who was involved?

    First, I can prove each word of what I will say here, as I have the documents. One of them is signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. I don’t just throw words in the air.

    According to my information, the arms trafficking began in 2007. Then-defence minister Davit Kezerahsvili spent 50 million dollars on defence systems from Ukraine, including specialist weapons systems, enough to equip a total of 9 divisions. These sales were mediated by Bel Trading and Ukrsexport.

    However Georgia received only 2 divisions of weapons, which were not part of the 9 agreed. The weapons delivered were completely different to the ones Georgia thought it had bought. In many cases the items delivered were unusable or so old that things were growing out of them.

    How did this become known?

    Ukraine was also supposed to send instructors with the weapons, who would train our troops in how to use them. They arrived at Poti from Ilichevsk. The Georgian defence staff gave them a supra, traditional dinners and so on and so forth, but finally the instructors reminded them that they had a job to do.

    When they saw what had been sent they were shocked, as they were expecting to see the weapons Georgia had bought.


    What happened to the weapons purchased with Georgian money?

    They went to Syria. Members of our previous government earned a lot of money from them. This was not the only case either.

  15. Google images for

    Saakashvili clinton party

    Thick as thieves :)

    Lookalikes - Escobar & Saakashvili COCAINE

  16. Proven solutions through collaboration

    Heroin Arms Cocaine Sedition Terrorism ?

    Mikheil Saakashvili, President of Georgia and U.S. President George Bush at a NATO meeting. (Photo credit: NATO)Georgian Government Upset with Poroshenko's “Presidential Advisor ...

    Mikheil Saakashvili, of all people, has become a “presidential advisor” to Ukraine's new incumbent, Petro Poroshenko.

    Saakashvili John McCain

  17. Clinton McCain Kerry - ON THE SAME TEAM ?

  18. Nice work tea! you provide hard evidence where previously, we only had gut instinct. Clear proof of right wing left wing being the one and the same bird.

  19. The Purity Myth:

    The Purity Myth takes aim at a resurgent right-wing movement that is using fears around women’s sexuality to roll back women’s rights. Based on the international bestseller by pioneering feminist blogger Jessica Valenti, the film examines how an alliance of evangelical Christians, reactionary politicians, and conservative policy intellectuals has been pushing a pro-virginity “purity agenda” that is undermining women’s health and women’s autonomy.

    From dad-and-daughter "purity balls" and abstinence-only school programs to recent attempts by legislators to de-fund women's reproductive health care and narrow the legal definition of rape, the film identifies a single, unifying assumption: the myth that the worth of a woman depends on what she does -- or does not do -- sexually.

    1. "the myth that the worth of a woman depends on what she does -- or does not do -- sexually"

      It is no myth. Women are the controllers of life/reproduction. Men are the providers. If you want a man to provide for you and your future children. Your best bet was to be a virgin at marriage and never cuckold him or even give a hint of it. No man wants to raise another man's children unless it increases his social standing in a reputable manner (widows with children, foundlings)

      Cuckolding is a woman raping a man, of his time, sweat and most of all, his love to the child and his self worth as a father. I know I would rather lose my anal virginity in a violent rape, than the innocent of my soul. A heart shattered, destroyed, loyalty betrayed, often with a sneer as she then proceeds to divorce-rape him for everything he has AND have the family courts garnish him for child support.

      A woman who cuckolds deserves the same sort of punishment as a man who rapes.

  20. Clinton's rallies attract very few attendees- probably sayanim contacted by ODIGO to attend. Trump with his finger on the button? - should horrify any sensate person into a coma- but for a site pointing out vote fraud, should you not also make a great deal of the fallibility/corruptibility of polls, how they are used in the aftermath of a fraudulent "election" as a self-fulfilling prophecy? This "election" cycle is designed to accomplish two major goals- protect the pedophile "elite" by quashing the Epstein connection to Trump, Bush, and Clinton-( it won't be used reciprocally by two equally guilty parties ) and to give the illusion that the "jews" don't control the "election" process from township to White House, which they do- this is why we don't see Adelson, Saban, Brabant, Singer etc on a daily basis as we did in 2012- nor mention of the fact that all the major candidates are themselves some form of (crypto-) jew- with a "jew" president, "jew" Garland on the (hah!)"Supreme Court" giving a "jew" majority in a country less tha 2% jew, it's a perfect time to spring their trap- which will of course legalise pedophilia and child-sacrifice to Moloch etc etc etc as the Sanhedrin are free to add any laws to the central seven noahide laws as they see fit-- and they have been waiting a long time to set up their world gov't and venge themselves upon the goyim

    1. I'm sure you're right about this Noahide thing but I just can't find any reference in federal law to any 'Public Law 102-114.' Any links to the actual statute?



  21. Killary will almost certainly "win" (or has already been set up to have her claws on the throne). But the issue isn't whether or not we give credence to socialism or capitalism, left or right, since both labels have long since been ponerized to the extent that neither ideology/belief bears any resemblance to the original.

    In that sense, Killary or Trump are just puppets for institutionalized psychopathy - anything else is just window dressing until those pathological systems collapse - as they eventually will. Yet, it still seems a lot of folks still don't get that the candidates are merely symptoms of a psychologically compromised social system that will continue to produce such people in the same way a processing plant's sludge continues to exit the outlet pipe. But instead of being siphoned off away from society it's continually pumped back through feedback loop of ignorance and denial. This vast vast factory of awareness consumption is essentially what we have masquerading as as Western democracy.

  22. Polls are the predictive programming tool in the fraud toolbox- none of them are worth a good goddamn; all are corrupted to reach a fore-gone conclusion and those who cite them are part of the problem. This "election" is designed to do two things; protect and promote the pedophile agenda of the baby-raping cannibal "elite"; and give the totally false impression that israel does not control US politics from the townships up, which they do







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  32. The 1930s USA 'business plot' or 'bankers' attempted coup' that was 'exposed' by retired USA Marine General Smedley Butler -

    That may have been a hoax run by the bankers themselves, with Smedley Butler a useful idiot, the 'Plot' story helping destroy more serious USA socialist alternatives in favour of banker-friendly Roosevelt

    Intel agencies call this game 'sheep-dipping', you pretend hostility to your hired tool

    It is easy to believe the 'official story' about Marine General Smedley Butler 'War is a Racket' stopping the attempted coup by Bushes bankers etc in the 1930s, despite the strange aspect that no one was prosecuted

    The 'Plot' story fits so well with the fascist-Nazi Bush family we know

    But apparently the story is not true - as rebel Jew Henry Makow indicates, because

    - FDR was always the banker choice, from elite families, groomed by bankers and controlled by his banker & significantly Jewish 'Brain Trust'

    - Smedley Butler was a loose cannon for months before the plot, denouncing bankers, Wall Street, 'War is a Racket' etc ... he was in fact the last general, whom genuine coup-makers would have asked ... the official story is not plausible

    Apparently Gen. Butler was a useful idiot who fell into this fake story created by the Hearst newspapers & the FDR team, to try to save FDR's reputation given that a lot of American leftists had figured out FDR was the banker's boy

    Under US President Hoover, before Hitler was in power, Butler spoke loudly against Mussolini & the fascist danger from Europe ... Hoover fired Butler, and then - like David Stockman & so many others - Butler became a 'truther' about the mil-industrty-banker complex once he was no longer in the job

    FDR was in big trouble early in his reign - Leftists in the USA were starting to turn to more real reformers like Huey Long of 'Share the Wealth'

    FDR was disliked by socialists, pacificists, isolationists, people who didn't like their gold being confiscated...

    So wild-mouth Smedley Butler was obviously the guy to 'reveal' a fictional non-existent plot ... the programme worked perfectly, & the socialist movement that was independent of FDR collapsed ... people in general afterwards supported their 'brave anti-fascist' President FDR ... who then continued the Depression, & helped stoke WW2 with enormous profits for the banking-industrial oligarchy

  33. Vote Punch!

    No, vote Judy!

    Punch! No, Judy! No, Punch! Judy!

    How I pity the American people. Forced to participate in a surrealist puppet show, now complete with Soros-funded agents provocateurs, just like any other Third World nation.

    He's an odd one, Mr Soros. A cynical, power-obsessed, nihilist atheist who thinks he's God. As proclaimed vicariously by his pert-breasted Pussy Rioters when they desecrate churches.

    Evidently he's unfamiliar with the concept of logical paradox: atheist who thinks he's God.

    Yes, funnily enough, the puppet masters, like Mr Soros, believe they themselves are not puppets on the stage of this world. Probably neither do you. Not yet.

    "But like all puppets, you think you're actually human; it's the puppet's dream, being human."


    It's really quite astonishing Trump's got this far. He might even win the puppet beauty pageant. Even more frightening is that he is still far preferable to Hillary, li'l darlin o' Wall Street.

    Not that it makes that much difference which puppet becomes President, but I did think the puppet Rubio would do better since a) the incumbent party tends to get ditched when times are bad, and b) Trump, are you serious?! So much for that prediction.

    America seems immune to logic, poetry and prophecy. Only God knows the fate of America.

    Fiery the Angels rose, and as they rose deep thunder roll’d
    Around their shores, indignant burning with the fires of Orc

    Judging by past actions, Sanders is probably the least worse option but has slim odds. Even if he were elected, he'd either play ball or be JFKed by the plutocrat mafia, who get rich from war.

    Puzzling place, US and A.

    A society run by deranged warmongering plutocrats.
    Run by insane people for insane objectives.
    Run by maniacs for maniacal ends.

    So no matter which puppet wins, America will wage insane pointless wars for money, for madmen who, in defiance of all reason, still believe they are untouchable.

    And "boots on the ground"? What does the even mean? Yet another euphemism for mass murder. War.

    War is clean and easy for the madmen; the blood on their hands and fangs is only figurative. It's the lowly soldier, doing their bidding, who smells the blood of his brothers in arms, spilled on the earth.

    Syria is part of a wider very dangerous game: Threaten Russia and it will escalate out of all control.

    Then American mothers will know how Syrian mothers feel. They will bury their children, sent to kill and be killed, for the sake of madmen.

    "Even Aunt Jessie and Momma will come to celebrate your coming home. Granny and Dad are trying to get enough money to get you a car, but don't tell them because that's our secret."

  34. "According to the above poll: Only 11% of Hillary Clinton supporters actually like Clinton. Only 6% of Trump Supporters actually like Trump."

    Yes, but liberals compete and utter morons.
    I get the feeling this site supports Bernie Sanders?

  35. Are these anti-American comments Brits? "Oh, I pity the Americans"..."So whoever wins, America will wage insane pointless wars"..."America seems immune to logic"...

    Western Europeans always make me laugh. You actually think your governments aren't exactly the same and aren't killing innocents in war just the same. In fact, because of that, I've always thought that you're more indoctrinated and ignorant that the American masses.