GUN LOBBY
Fox news columnist John Lott is a fervent supporter of guns.
However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken.
Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere.
Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere.
After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona.[61]
Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".
Aangirfan was criticised by a reader when stating that the Americas have the highest murder rate, and the most guns.
So here are the figures:
Louisiana has a higher murder rate (10.8) than New Hampshire (1.7).
In 2013, at the Menznau factory in Switzerland, an employee opened fire on his co-workers in the company's cafeteria.
This came only weeks after another shooter killed three people and wounded two others in the southern Swiss village of Daillon.
UNODC - murder rate per 100,000 people:
Americas 16.3
Africa 12.5
World 6.2
Europe 3.0
Oceania 3.0
Asia 2.9
Africa 12.5
World 6.2
Europe 3.0
Oceania 3.0
Asia 2.9
The Powers-That-Be support gun rights.
Of course, not all places in the USA have the same murder rate.
Of course, not all places in the USA have the same murder rate.
44.5% of the people of Louisiana are gun owners.
14.4% of the people of New Hampshire are gun owners.
Switzerland has lots of guns.
In Switzerland, the Romanshorn shooting was an act of mass murder which involved Hermann Schwarz shooting dead 7 people.
The Zug massacre took place in 2001 in the city of Zug in Switzerland.
Not all places in Europe are the same in terms of shootings and murders.
In Switzerland, the Romanshorn shooting was an act of mass murder which involved Hermann Schwarz shooting dead 7 people.
Fourteen people were shot dead by Friedrich Leibacher.
This came only weeks after another shooter killed three people and wounded two others in the southern Swiss village of Daillon.
In 2015, five people died after a man went on a shooting rampage in the tiny town Wuerenlingen in northern Switzerland.
The 36-year-old gunned down three of his in-laws after a 'family dispute', police said.
He then headed next door and murdered a 46-year-old neighbour before turning his weapon on himself.
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St. Louis 49.93
Detroit 44.87
New Orleans 39.61
Monaco 0
Hong Kong 0.2
Iceland 0.3
Singapore 0.3
Japan 0.4
Brunei 0.5
Luxembourg 0.6
Norway 0.6
The 11-year-old boy in the US state of Tennessee has been charged with shooting dead an eight-year-old neighbour in a row over a puppy.
According to police, the boy shot the girl after she refused to let him see her puppy.
An Israeli and a boy.
Anonymous comments:
I liked this:
The idea here is that your friendly neighborhood gun owner is not just a hobbyist assassinating apples with an assault rifle in his spare time (impressive though the old dude in this video may be), but a quick-drawing, sharp-shooting hero-in-waiting who will take out the criminals like Time Crisis NPCs if and when the shit goes down.
And if there were more Americans like him—at least one in every classroom, movie theater, and Bible study, ideally—mass murderers would think twice before shooting anything.
The meme gets at the central argument espoused by the pro-gun lobby in recent years, rephrasing former NRA President Wayne LaPierre's famous 2013 statement that, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
Unfortunately, though, LaPierre's "good guy" fantasy is just that.
While it's true that gunslinging civilians have stopped a few shootings, in real life, these armed vigilantes can also be very unhelpful. In the heat of a firefight, they might aim for the wrong person, for example, or end up shooting that person in the head. And sometimes, they get themselves killed.
If you get away from action movie scenarios, science says gun owners are less safe from gun violence than other people.
Because when the good guys end their nightly patrols and holster their guns, they generally take those guns home.
And studies have shown that once they're there, they're more likely - twice as likely, by some estimates - to be killed by a "bad guy" than people who don't keep firearms at home.
Calling Bullshit on the Internet's Right-Wing Gun Memes.
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Both the Israelis and the Americans love their guns.
Here are the murder rates for some places in the USA, Europe and Asia:
Murder rate per 100,000 people:
St. Louis 49.93
Detroit 44.87
New Orleans 39.61
Monaco 0
Hong Kong 0.2
Iceland 0.3
Singapore 0.3
Japan 0.4
Brunei 0.5
Luxembourg 0.6
Norway 0.6
The gun-loving Israelis are the same as the gun-loving Americans.
Guns have a habit of being used to kill innocent people.
Today we read that in the USA a boy, 11, has been held for shooting dead his eight-year-old neighbour
Guns have a habit of being used to kill innocent people.
Today we read that in the USA a boy, 11, has been held for shooting dead his eight-year-old neighbour
The 11-year-old boy in the US state of Tennessee has been charged with shooting dead an eight-year-old neighbour in a row over a puppy.
According to police, the boy shot the girl after she refused to let him see her puppy.
An Israeli and a boy.
Anonymous comments:
I liked this:
The idea here is that your friendly neighborhood gun owner is not just a hobbyist assassinating apples with an assault rifle in his spare time (impressive though the old dude in this video may be), but a quick-drawing, sharp-shooting hero-in-waiting who will take out the criminals like Time Crisis NPCs if and when the shit goes down.
And if there were more Americans like him—at least one in every classroom, movie theater, and Bible study, ideally—mass murderers would think twice before shooting anything.
The meme gets at the central argument espoused by the pro-gun lobby in recent years, rephrasing former NRA President Wayne LaPierre's famous 2013 statement that, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
Unfortunately, though, LaPierre's "good guy" fantasy is just that.
While it's true that gunslinging civilians have stopped a few shootings, in real life, these armed vigilantes can also be very unhelpful. In the heat of a firefight, they might aim for the wrong person, for example, or end up shooting that person in the head. And sometimes, they get themselves killed.
If you get away from action movie scenarios, science says gun owners are less safe from gun violence than other people.
Because when the good guys end their nightly patrols and holster their guns, they generally take those guns home.
And studies have shown that once they're there, they're more likely - twice as likely, by some estimates - to be killed by a "bad guy" than people who don't keep firearms at home.
Calling Bullshit on the Internet's Right-Wing Gun Memes.
Americans are obsessed with violence.
Anonymous complained that we are ignoring the murders that have taken place in Asia and Europe.
However, at Counterpunch we read:
"Tens of millions of Asian people have been murdered by Western imperialism (the USA)...
"(We should not forget) the barbaric liquidation of Korean civilians by the US forces... the millions, of those who were blown to pieces, burned by chemicals or directly liquidated – men, women and children of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, the Philippines..."
Southeast Asia “Forgets” About Western Terror.
Southeast Asia “Forgets” About Western Terror.
The Mai Lai massacre carried out by US troops as part of Operation Phoenix.
"The American flag is a flag of oppression and genocide. Because that's what America is built on - from the very beginning when the first European settlers landed in North America, it has been a country built on blood."- Rod Coronado, Native American.
IRAQ
The CIA put Saddam into power and manipulated Iraq and Iran into a war. Then came the Desert Storm campaign, depleted uranium, UN sanctions and the latest Iraq war. Over 1 million have died as a result of American interference in Iraq.
Brazil, Guatemala, El Salvador, Ecuador, Uruguay, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Haiti, Iraq, Iran, Laos, East Timor, Grenada, Greece...
All of these and more suffered from torture and death as a result of American 'intervention,'
Below we remind readers of the World's biggest holocaust, the one carried out by the USA:
"The American flag is a flag of oppression and genocide. Because that's what America is built on - from the very beginning when the first European settlers landed in North America, it has been a country built on blood."- Rod Coronado, Native American.
IRAQ
The CIA put Saddam into power and manipulated Iraq and Iran into a war. Then came the Desert Storm campaign, depleted uranium, UN sanctions and the latest Iraq war. Over 1 million have died as a result of American interference in Iraq.
The US has a long history of deliberately killing civilians.
9 11
On 9 11, 1973, Salvador Allende, the President of Chile, was killed in an American-sponsored coup, led by General Augusto Pinochet.
9 11
On 9 11, 1973, Salvador Allende, the President of Chile, was killed in an American-sponsored coup, led by General Augusto Pinochet.
Pinochet's rise to power, organised by the CIA and Henry Kissinger, began nearly twenty years of military dictatorship that led to thousands of deaths.
30,000 people were massacred in the weeks following this September 11th, as Pinochet tried to wipe out those who opposed fascism.
US troops carrying out a massacre in Korea
The Congo was given a military dictatorship thanks to the CIA assassination of Patrice Lumumba.
In Cambodia, America (and Britain) backed Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot who killed nearly 2 million Cambodians.
In 1936, the American National Guard helped Anastasio Somoza to set up a dictatorship which ruled Nicaragua for 43 years.
The Congo was given a military dictatorship thanks to the CIA assassination of Patrice Lumumba.
In Cambodia, America (and Britain) backed Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot who killed nearly 2 million Cambodians.
In 1936, the American National Guard helped Anastasio Somoza to set up a dictatorship which ruled Nicaragua for 43 years.
Brazil, Guatemala, El Salvador, Ecuador, Uruguay, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Haiti, Iraq, Iran, Laos, East Timor, Grenada, Greece...
All of these and more suffered from torture and death as a result of American 'intervention,'
Americans torturing someone
Ex-State Department employee William Blum stated, "An American holocaust has taken place - So great and deep is the denial of the American holocaust that the deniers are not even aware that the claimers or their claims exist.
Through the Phoenix Program, hundreds of thousands of people were tortured to death in “interrogation centers”. These torture centers were built by the United States. Women were always raped as part of the torture before being murdered. The large-scale terrorism, rape and mass-murder was the policy of the USA. The My Lai massacre itself was an operation of the Phoenix Program.
Congo in 1964,
Laos in 1964-73
The United States Air Force dropped the equivalent of a planeload of bombs every eight minutes for nine years on the people of Laos — from 1965 to 1973. Over 2,000,000 tons.
This was some of the heaviest aerial bombardment in world history.
Estimated civilian deaths: 500,000 men, women and children.
Peru in 1965,
Cambodia in 1969-70,
El Salvador throughout the 1980s,
Nicaragua throughout the 1980s,
Lebanon in 1983-84,
Grenada in 1983,
Bosnia in 1985,
Libya in 1986,
Panama in 1989,
Iraq in 1991 and later,
Sudan in 1998,
Former Yugoslavia in 1999,
and Afghanistan in 1998 and 2002.
Up to one million innocent civilians died in Indonesia after the CIA put Suharto into power in Indonesia.
At least one third of the population of East Timor died after the USA told Suharto to invade that country.
If you add up the totals, the United States of America is responsible for the biggest holocaust of all time.
"Since before the end of WWII the United States Corporate Mafia Government has been hell bent for total world domination, by any and all means necessary, no matter how brutal — including the slaughter of as many millions of innocent civilian men, women and children as it takes to accomplish that goal."
Ex-State Department employee William Blum stated, "An American holocaust has taken place - So great and deep is the denial of the American holocaust that the deniers are not even aware that the claimers or their claims exist.
"Yet, a few million people have died in the American holocaust and many more millions have been condemned to lives of misery and torture as a result of US interventions extending from China and Greece in the 1940s to Afghanistan and Iraq in the 1990s."
"I will never apologise for the United States of America - I don't care what the facts are," said President George Bush Sr. in 1988, when the U.S. Navy warship Vincennes shot down an Iranian commercial airliner. The plane was on a routine flight in a commercial corridor in Iranian airspace. All 290 civilians on board the aircraft were killed.
"I will never apologise for the United States of America - I don't care what the facts are," said President George Bush Sr. in 1988, when the U.S. Navy warship Vincennes shot down an Iranian commercial airliner. The plane was on a routine flight in a commercial corridor in Iranian airspace. All 290 civilians on board the aircraft were killed.
US troops torturing someone
Many thousands of Afghani civilians have died as a result of U.S. led air strikes in Afghanistan.
Since the Second World War, the US government has bombed 21 countries:
China in 1945-46 and again in 1950-53,
Korea in 1950-53,
Nearly 3 million civilians were murdered by the USA and its allies. As with Mai Lai in Vietnam, the murder of civilians at No Gun Ri, Korea, was not an isolated incident. The USA and its fascist puppet regime in South Korea carried out genocide against both North and South Korean people.
Guatemala in 1954, 1960, and 1967-69
Indonesia in 1958
Vietnam in 1961-73
Many thousands of Afghani civilians have died as a result of U.S. led air strikes in Afghanistan.
Since the Second World War, the US government has bombed 21 countries:
China in 1945-46 and again in 1950-53,
Korea in 1950-53,
Nearly 3 million civilians were murdered by the USA and its allies. As with Mai Lai in Vietnam, the murder of civilians at No Gun Ri, Korea, was not an isolated incident. The USA and its fascist puppet regime in South Korea carried out genocide against both North and South Korean people.
Guatemala in 1954, 1960, and 1967-69
Indonesia in 1958
Vietnam in 1961-73
Through the Phoenix Program, hundreds of thousands of people were tortured to death in “interrogation centers”. These torture centers were built by the United States. Women were always raped as part of the torture before being murdered. The large-scale terrorism, rape and mass-murder was the policy of the USA. The My Lai massacre itself was an operation of the Phoenix Program.
Congo in 1964,
Laos in 1964-73
The United States Air Force dropped the equivalent of a planeload of bombs every eight minutes for nine years on the people of Laos — from 1965 to 1973. Over 2,000,000 tons.
This was some of the heaviest aerial bombardment in world history.
Estimated civilian deaths: 500,000 men, women and children.
Peru in 1965,
Cambodia in 1969-70,
El Salvador throughout the 1980s,
Nicaragua throughout the 1980s,
Lebanon in 1983-84,
Grenada in 1983,
Bosnia in 1985,
Libya in 1986,
Panama in 1989,
Iraq in 1991 and later,
Sudan in 1998,
Former Yugoslavia in 1999,
and Afghanistan in 1998 and 2002.
Up to one million innocent civilians died in Indonesia after the CIA put Suharto into power in Indonesia.
At least one third of the population of East Timor died after the USA told Suharto to invade that country.
If you add up the totals, the United States of America is responsible for the biggest holocaust of all time.
"Since before the end of WWII the United States Corporate Mafia Government has been hell bent for total world domination, by any and all means necessary, no matter how brutal — including the slaughter of as many millions of innocent civilian men, women and children as it takes to accomplish that goal."
Labels: gun lobby, Holocaust, John Lott, Louisiana, mass shootings, murder rate, New Hampshire, St Louis, Switzerland
posted by Anon @ 00:34
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40 Comments:
Interesting statistics, very nice job.
Some of us who live in the States actually think the "gun" issue is a big diversion.
Thanks to gun ownership, Americans are less likely to be politically involved.
Thanks to gun ownership, Americans are less likely to join unions (and are usually hostile to them.)
Thanks to gun ownership, Americans are least likely of all civilized humans to think that getting to know the neighbors is normal behavior.
From the corporate/government point of view, gun ownership is a big winner in the United States, and likely to stay that way.
ALSO (and this is not a joke) everytime gun sales go into a slump, Washington puts out the word that the government is going to confiscate firearms. Sales jump through the roof. When Obama was first elected, the panic was so intense there were ammunitions shortages from the Great Lakes to the Rio Grande.
Whatever they think of guns, Americans love to make the rich richer.
Following site seems to prove, that liberal gun laws in a country do not imply necessarily higher murder rates.
http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/does-strict-gun-legislation-reduce-violent-crime-in-latam
Switzerland does have a relatively high “gun density”, mainly due the fact, that conscripts are requested to have their guns at home during the time they remain in the army reserve.
(TPTB are massively pressuring Switzerland to abolish this system, mainly through the scheme Partnership for Peace / NATO)
Understand, that most of the killings done with guns in Switzerland are suicides. It is naïve to believe, that a person willing to end his life, is not able to do so without a gun.
(on average, each engine driver of the Swiss railway system can expect to be involved in two cases of having suicidal persons jumping in front of his engine…)
The terrible mass shooting in 2001 in Zug shows strong evidence of a staged event.
-the killer Leibacher had several convictions for fraud, theft, arms trafficking and being a pedophile.
-in 1998, he threatened an unarmed adversary in a bar with a hand-gun. The “adversary” sued against Leibacher, the authorities stood down with the investigation for three years
-the authorities issued licenses to Leibacher to acquire guns until shortly before the massacre
-the ex-wife of Leibacher warned the authorities in June, that Leibacher would be up to an “ugly revenge”, the authorities completely ignored her warning, the massacre happened 3 months later.
-despite all this evidence, the authorities never disarmed Leibacher, as clearly foreseen by respective laws
-officially Leibacher shot himself with a pistol in the right temple, this as being a sinistral/lefty (the official report stated he would have right hander). Finally, Leibacher’s body was found being handcuffed…
-some years after the incidence, Swiss TV wanted to produce an investigative report. The authorities in Zug completely refused any cooperation in that regard
Following site is giving the main details of the incidence / investigation (in German)
http://www.behoerdenwillkuer.ch/
(address might have to be typed directly into the space for URL, understand Google and frenz do not like the contents of this site)
Caveman
According to your quoted site:
"Two of the most violent countries in the region have relatively lax gun laws. In Honduras - the world's most dangerous country based on its total homicide rate of 91.6 per 100,000 residents - civilians can own up to five firearms."
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/10/05/understanding-the-sickness-of-the-american-psyche/
http://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/10/05/oregon-shooting-hoax/
You forgot about Serbia.
Kosowo is Serbian!
Not all ex-USA Anglos have the anti-gun attitude ... For many as well in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and even Great Britain, guns are the ultimate item symbolising protection of the innocent, standing up to wrong-doing, & the ability to resist fascist or pedophile regimes
Britain's UKIP is open to bringing back civilian handgun ownership to Britons
Here, wonderfully, very funny and enjoyable, virally popular YouTube video from Austrialian Steve Lee, 'I Like Guns!', over 5 million views (2min39sec)
Steve Lee 'I Like Guns! mega-popular song video on YouTube
"Thanks to gun ownership, Americans are less likely to be politically involved".
Any evidence for this would be interesting. The overwhelming majority of 2nd amendment supporters I have encountered are far more involved than the average voter.
"Thanks to gun ownership, Americans are less likely to join unions (and are usually hostile to them.)"
Again, any evidence proving causality for this ?
"Thanks to gun ownership, Americans are least likely of all civilized humans to think that getting to know the neighbors is normal behavior".
At the risk of being a bore ... evidence ?
ALSO (and this is not a joke) everytime gun sales go into a slump, Washington puts out the word that the government is going to confiscate firearms. Sales jump through the roof. When Obama was first elected, the panic was so intense there were ammunitions shortages from the Great Lakes to the Rio Grande.
Some might suggest this was driven more by Homeland Security buying billions of rounds of hollow-point ammunition.
Thanks for the chance to discuss, aang.
Your argument seems to be, though, that as the American government is a bunch of cunts - which is fairly clear to all thinking people - that firearms are somehow to blame. I'd welcome clarification.
We all know how the governments of the US of A, the UK, Israel, USSR, etc. have behaved and continue to behave. Is this a reason to have a state firearm monopoly ? Not imho.
Dear FRANZ,
It makes my day when I read an intelligent and perceptive comment such as yours.
You have seen through the psy-op, unlike certain readers who deluge us with rude comments.
- Aangirfan
My argument is that the Powers-That-Be do not want gun control.
The Gun Lobby is supported by the Powers-That-Be.
Did you believe Obama when he said he was going to close Guantanamo?
Did you believe Obama when he said he was going to destroy ISIS?
- Aangirfan
This is the sort of article that really brings out that "cognitive dissonance" feeling that reading angirfan so often brings.
White Russians didn't have guns on the scale that present-day US citizens do and those Russians were murdered by the Bolsheviks to the tune of 66million according to Solzhenitsyn.
Swiss have guns and don't seem to have a problem.
It's the people, not the guns.
Ban them (guns) and only criminals (in or out of government) will have them.
Stop mass immigration of 3rd world crims.
Prayer Won't Stop Gun Violence, Gun Reform Will • BRAVE NEW FILMS
If only Obama really was that nice, he's considered as bad as Bush, some say worse, if that's possible. Still, the video shows you all the NRA contributions to top politicians. Guns is big business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzAWAU21uDw&feature=em-uploademail
How many countries has the US invaded? • Stephen Kinzer • Henry A. Wallace National Security Forum
Some people in the world are envious of America's freedom, say's Bush. What the US means by freedom is the freedom for US companies to do as they wish in other countries, i.e., to loot them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTmYGY_shFw
Aangirfan,
TPTB do not want the common people to be armed, or how do you explain that the UK and Australia were disarmed to a very large extend, this after mass shootings which looked staged.
Of course, the people you identify so well in most of your reports were very pleased for not encountering an armed citizenry, at the time, when they took away all the foodstuff of the people in Ukraine back in the 1920s see
http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html
respectively in Ireland in the 1850s (see http://www.irishholocaust.org/ )
The mass shooting in Romanshorn you are referring to, happened back in 1912. Could this also have been a staged event, in order to strengthen the pacifist forces, which were doing everything to have certain countries disarmed, despite the fact that everybody had a feeling, that a war was imminent…
Caveman
If Black on Black gun crime is not included in the statistics then the American firearm crime rate is about the same as Belguim. St Louis, Detroit and New Orleans are Black cities. It's an issue of demographics.
NWO politicians and media are in the middle of a BIG push against the 2nd amendment while at the same time the apparatus of the UN are getting involved in running Law & Order in US cities:
http://renegadetribune.com/the-us-has-ceded-control-of-major-cities-to-the-un/
You're barking up the wrong tree Aangirfan. The issue is not guns. The issue is power and who has the moral authority to carry and use a gun. Your entire article is a red herring in that respect. I'll give you have a point about American abuse of that power - both foreign and domestically. To put it bluntly, do you think Russians have more right to bear arms than Americans at this point in history? Or is your point that no one ought to bear arms. Who exactly, in your mind has the right to bear arms? And by the way, although that picture of Jesus with a gun is inaccurate with respect to his first appearance 2000 years ago, he is not coming back blowing kisses.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2013/01/01/with-gun-control-cost-benefit-analysis-is-amoral/
Aangirfan,
Thank you
Best wishes
Roy
yes, it's divisive, and they use that
WE didn't do -
mai lai, iraq, gladio, native americans, hiroshima, etc. (countless etc.)
militarized police, gargantuan (majority non-violent) prison system, etc.
they did.
we still have cia and bush and kissinger and....
i should hand my gun over to THEM???????
americans are propagandized and duped as much or more than anyone on earth. condemn us for it or pray for us, your choice.
the psyop works on both sides. why would one wish to assume (i.e., steal) another individual's private property? i have done no one harm. the many usa prisons are chock full of those who have threatened no one/done no harm.
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - so Gandi knew self-defense didn't equate to militarism. ....oh they'll tell you it was because Indians were prevented conscription in WWI, so ask yourself if it makes sense for an anti-militarist to define such "misdeeds" as "the BLACKEST Act".... and it's for THEIR army he wanted to fight no less?
MLK tried for a gun license and was denied. Maybe that's untrue and part of the psyop, but it makes sense to me that he would want one.
Solzhenitsyn has a quote attributed to him re: giving the individual a last resort defense from the gulag. "And how we burned in the camps later....", or something. it's from the book, so probably not a psy-op in translation.
but call those psy-op lies if you want. i was psy-op'd on this the vast majority of my life, because i was (and am) anti-violence and anti-militaristic. and because i didn't really think about it beyond surface. i didn't think long enough about a woman who's been raped and wants to take a positive step in her self defense. i didn't think about how 1984 and A Brave New World (still required reading stateside, i believe - talk about conditioning!) might actually be real, might somehow actually occur. i hadn't traveled beyond my own continent. i didn't think enough about how criminals (like even your pedophiles) might be deterred by the mere question of who is armed in the populace. (i know it didn't deter sandusky, but doesn't that episode tilt the argument from the authority (or the state) to the people?) i didn't WANT a gun. still don't.
i can't figure how one can be both anti-2nd amendment and anti-pedophilia. it isn't logical.
people are the basically same all around the world. they're humans, and they want peace and contentment and they have empathy, unless they are sociopaths/psychopaths. they don't have a control fetish. even your typical "control freak" doesn't extend it towards strangers.
but somethings happening here today / a show of strength with your psycho brigade. and (here and all around the world) we're sensing their boot start to pound pound pound.
(that's lifted from a better-than-avg paul weller tune, which is to say, a "great fookin' song mmaaaannnn...")
the psychopaths in control seem to have brought their psy-op of fear up to fever pitch. call me "controlled" for it, but i still don't wish to surrender my gun to them. naturally.
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
one is either for the use of force or against it.
- youfumbledthis
i forgot to include this -
consider perhaps america has gun violence not just for 300 million guns, but because america is poor.
it might seem rich because .001% of the top has GNP equal to Brasil, or some such thing, but those aren't really americans, are they?
- youfumbledthis
Girls have the right to bare arms. No country is civilised if its citizens own guns. Jesus said that those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. Jesus said that we should turn the other cheek.
If the Powers-That-Be wanted gun control, then Congress would vote in favour of gun control.
"The apparatus of the UN are getting involved in running Law & Order in US cities." You quote a pro-Nazi publication. Are you a Nazi?
Guns tend to kill the innocent.
http://albainternazionale.blogspot.it/2015/10/le-operazioni-congiunte-dellasse-iran.html
Fact is that if the people in the countries that were holocausted by jewmerica had guns, there would never be an empire.
Here are the gungrabbers:
https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-is-behind-gun-control/
You mean that countries like Afghanistan and Iraq did not have guns?
The fact is that if the American military and airforce come to your house you will not be able to defend yourself with a few guns.
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I understand your logic here. It is true that a team of soldiers/ police/ DHS goons or whatever at your doorstep would be suicidal to oppose, whether you had guns or not.
However, an armed populace can organise themselves into militias and have a chance.
Now you're going to say what about all the heavy equipment the government has.
Yes, but there exists in every society a stock of resources including knowledge, that can also be used against government forces.
I'm talking people with the know-how to use drones, electronic warfare, acquire or manufacture anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, etc.
There's more than just guns in any prospective fight, but that's goes for anti-government as well as government forces.
The rebels wouldn't necessarily have to have as much as the government, only enough to neutralise what the government has.
All of this means that there is still a military advantage to be gained by governments over their own people by restricting guns.
Why else would the government and media be so interested in gun control?
It's illogical to say that guns are too dangerous for the peasants to have while ignoring the obvious alacrity with which governments pursue gun control.
You want militias like in Iraq and Libya? Why not copy the peaceful countries.
"My argument is that the Powers-That-Be do not want gun control".
They find it convenient in every other country. The steady progression in US of A has been towards further control over the last 30-40 years.
I'm sure 'they' have players on both sides. However you are dodging the big question, posed by several. Do you think the state armies and police forces, governed by child abusers and criminals, should have a monopoly of effective force ?
Did you believe Obama when he said he was going to close Guantanamo?
Ha ha. Do you really think Obama is more than a controlled puppet ?
In the hands of the military, police, and criminals, yes. But don't worry about incorrect generalisations, go for those emotional 'soundbites'.
You ask: "Do you think the state armies and police forces, governed by child abusers and criminals, should have a monopoly of effective force?"
I believe that in the USA, the state armies and police forces already have a monopoly of effective force.
Your mad militias are probably all run by the CIA and are in any case never going to be in a position to take on the might of the US military.
Adopt the Taoist/Christian position.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who is against an armed populace is pro tyranny.
Best regards, H. S. Tomasson
reykjavik, Iceland.
Americans Never Give Up Your Guns
28.12.2012 - By Stanislav Mishin
"Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lying guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed. The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene. They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.
Of course being savages, murderers and liars does not mean being stupid and the Reds learned from their Civil War experience. One of the first things they did was to disarm the population. From that point, mass repression, mass arrests, mass deportations, mass murder, mass starvation were all a safe game for the powers that were. The worst they had to fear was a pitchfork in the guts or a knife in the back or the occasional hunting rifle. Not much for soldiers."
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/
"I believe that in the USA, the state armies and police forces already have a monopoly of effective force".
The question was one of principle, which in the best msm fashion, you have side-stepped. :o)
"Your mad militias are probably all run by the CIA and are in any case never going to be in a position to take on the might of the US military".
Mine ?! Mad ?! Maybe time to reflect on whether you're becoming like the msm because you study/report it so much ? :o)
"Adopt the Taoist/Christian position".
Heh. Interesting to see an order coming from the masterly inaction / brotherly love side. I suppose my preference is for the Gita's fighting with a loving heart.
Great site. Big support. Your hoplophobia, though sad, in no way diminishes that. Have you ever read Solzhenitsyn's comment ? The Warsaw ghetto should be required history teaching, of course. They had maybe a dozen firearms, and held off a fully tuned-up state-of-the-art German war machine !
"Girls have the right to bare arms. No country is civilised if its citizens own guns. Jesus said that those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. Jesus said that we should turn the other cheek."
Jesus also said sell your cloak and buy a sword. Which is it?
Jesus turned his cheek and got nailed to the cross by the way.
Dublinmick says:
Those who have a sword live much longer than those without a sword and are taken much more seriously than those without a sword.
Saints will do as they must, the rest of us heathen will wield the sword of justice.
When I got mugged in rough parts of Asia, Europe, Africa and South America, neither I nor my assailants were carrying guns.
In each case I offered no resistance.
In each case I suffered no injury. In each case I lost a couple of dollars.
After I was mugged in a shanty town in South America I learnt that an American had been mugged in the same spot the week before.
The American had been killed.
Bare arms are better than bearing arms.
As for the Gospels - there is a belief that the crucifiction story was added by Jewish writers so as to tie in with the Hebrew myths.
"Late in the third century B.C. Cleomenes, king of Sparta, embarked on a revolutionary policy of cancellation of debts, redistribution of land and emancipation of the helots (slaves).
"He was driven out of Sparta...
"In the story preserved by Plutarch, Cleomenes and twelve friends have a last supper together on the night before his death.
"He is betrayed to his enemies...
"His dead body is crucified.
"A prodigy occurs after the crucifixion; and the people of Alexandria call him a 'hero and son of the gods'."
Most scholars now accept that the Nativity story was added by Jewish writers in order to tie in with Hebrew myths.
"When I got mugged in rough parts of Asia, Europe, Africa and South America, neither I nor my assailants were carrying guns. In each case I offered no resistance".
I have absolutely no problem with this. It is the need to tell others what they can and cannot do that grates.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn -
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
It is presumably beyond dispute that axes/hammers/pokers are less efficient than firearms.
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