JESUS - TRUTHS AND MYTHS
Jesus said: love your enemies; love one another; whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant; feed the hungry; judge not, that you be not judged; heaven is within you.
Many people will approve of these sayings.
However, some people suggest that the story of Jesus appears to have been interfered with.
In 1890, the social anthropologist Sir James George Frazer published the The Golden Bough which showed that most religions share certain stories and myths.
Frazer believed that Jesus did exist. [61]
In an article entitled 'How the Jesus Myth was created' we read that the New Testament appears to have borrowed ideas from other religions.
So, we have a 'good Jesus', a kindly pacifist who heals people and who tells us to tune in to the Holy Spirit.
This 'good Jesus' has had a good influence on the world.
And we have the 'Jesus of the churches' who has been used to back up Jewish myths and to back up the agendas of the Imperialists.
You might think that 'Shakespeare' is not quite what he seems, but that does not stop the Shakespeare writings from being useful.
In our view Jesus did exist.
Parts of the gospels present the picture of an actual human being.
"And he said to them, 'Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?' But they were silent. And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart..."
"And he said to them, 'Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?' But they were silent. And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart..."
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Labels: Horus, James George Frazer, Jesus, Mithras, myth, truth
posted by Anon @ 05:13
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33 Comments:
Perhaps the good Jesus in inseparable from the Holy Spirit, through whom we know that His gospel is truth. Perhaps the true Church is keeping His light shining in the heart of darkness and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her. Perhaps all the other stories are prefigurative types which exemplify the action of the divine in the world, of which Jesus Christ is the full and genuine article.
A good summary of this Aangirfan, thanks. My thoughts are similar to the point of almost being redundant. I foolishly wrote the comment before reading the piece.
The character is a positive archetype. The matter of whether the character was a real individual, or the son of god, or the product of a virgin birth all these details are irrelevant.
The message was simple and it was "Love thy neighbor" and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
The Golden Rule was not even a Christian invention it was coined by Confucius centuries prior but it is a good message.
All of the churches and all the rest of the stuff that is tacked onto the basic message is overwhelmingly a bunch of crap.
http://crimesofempire.com/2015/11/13/jihad-john-is-gone/
I don't believe a thing that come out of the mouth/feather/keyboard of a Jew.
Jesus Christ stated with a fierceness that if you looked for him outside of yourself you would be committing the greatest sin. I am come that you may have life eternal - Christ Jesus is the I Am.
When He said "Render unto Caesar...' I always thought the old boy meant there's more important stuff to be getting on with!' But then the great Malcolm X talked about those lying so called Negro Christian preachers promising a land of milk and honey in the afterlife when THIS IS THE LIFE WE HAVE TO LIVE NOW. Love Malcolm. I think the real Jesus would've been far more like him.
Alan Wilson has done extensive research into British history and has identified a relationship between Jesus' family and the kings of old. He's even found links to a American lineage, circa 550AD that came from this bloodline, which could account for the Melungeon people.
https://youtu.be/ZM6o70AuRBY?t=37m25s
My thoughts are that this could be a reason for the deliberate killings of the Mohawk children in North America - to destroy the bloodline of the rightful heirs to the throne.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKmrCEdsZAg
Richard D Hall interviewed Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett and found out that MI5 were behind some of the dirty tricks that almost killed Baram and ruined the reputation (character assassination) of both for researching a publishing their findings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2G8qCYRwpI
Everett Stern is a Republican Senate candidate in Pennsylvania who openly and repeatedly has offered praise and support for the terrorist massacre in Beirut yesterday claimed by ISIL that left 43 dead. Guess his background?
http://crimesofempire.com/2015/11/14/us-senate-candidate-supports-beirut-massacre/
i LOVE ...Jesus
Imports into the Bible outside of its primary claims, undermining integrity and rendering it fake isn’t possible, thus far, to establish with convicting power. Too many unbelieving scholars admit a man a man called Jesus lived and likely died in a local spectacle, This beyond reasonable historical doubt. As for the text and where from? Balance of probability, these words have something to do with him. Two protagonists battle like cocks in the ring. Throw comparable slag-offs. Bit panto, nah he’s not/yes... All pushing the convince low-down dismissals, that do neither side favours. Philosophical Jerry Springer-sytlee (would say Jeremy Kyle but reckon there’s more U.S.-er readers). An ambivalent crowd are mostly bored of the scrap but somewhat amused. “Let’s watch the zealots eh”.
Since we’re best - the marginalised nutters - at understanding the Illumini-concocted misrepresentation of historical literature, surely we shouldn't have confidence in what might have been said/written, twenty hundred years ago. Faith not facts for Jesus people, the dismiss-ers - same.
The first century is the best/worst-first junction, when the dreadful few got so demon-riddled and gathered underground to manage the overground. Confirmed liars where the makers of ‘Jesus’ -or- it’s their moral and mortal, mysterious enemy? These contemporary manifesting must-be-defeated-ones are Dracula-like and can't stand the light. We, the gritty honest digging for fingerprints and purposely left method. We should link Bible and history and while we’re at it, catch the social and cultural shaping that exported theology from the text that’s child-sussing contradictory and abhorrent in the page readings and face of Jesus.
The heart of the matter? Is there any intellectual reason for giving these words and the inspiring - said unseen - author some trust? Plenty not - can we truly say none for?
This site is brave and persistent. Honour for the ‘fan. Rainbow country.
Mark
I believe in religion but a religion that includes political, economic and social action designed to eliminate some of these things and make a paradise here on earth while we're waiting for the other - Malcolm X
U need to find the truth about Mr. X
B.U.L.L.
If triangles had a god, he would have three sides.
There are some things about Jesus that disturbed me.
The cursed fig tree and the swine than run into the sea after Jesus drove demons into them. And Jesus said that did not come to bring peace but a sword.
Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';
36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
Jesus curses a fig tree for all eternity because he found no fruit on its branches. And this in spite of the fact that it was not yet time for fruit (v. 13). How untypical of Jesus! Was he in a bad mood or something? Was this the same man who was known to be meek and mild and humble? Was this the same Jesus who showed mercy and kindness to a woman caught in the very act of adultery, or the Canaanite woman at the well, or to all kinds of sinners and tax collectors? In Matthew 12:20 we read, “A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench.”
The fig tree in question was not a person nor was it located in someone’s garden. It was just a wild tree that grew near a busy highway. Still, the reaction of Jesus seems so untypical!
There are only two other incidents in the life of Christ which have any similarity whatsoever. One is in the story of the maniac of Gadera. When Jesus cast out the demons, they requested permission to enter a herd of swine and Jesus gave his permission.
Jesus’ action in Mark 11 becomes even more puzzling when we read the parable of another unfruitful fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. The tree in Luke 13 was given another chance to produce.
Most commentaries have nothing to say about this act of Jesus and only deal with the lesson Jesus was teaching his disciples about prayer and faith.
I agree. Evolution has evolved us to be very sentient and we can feel very lonely, scared, sad, unhappy, and lots of pain, etc.,but the world can be utterly brutal and totally indifferent.
13 november 2015 on the jewish calendar, it's Rosh Chodesh.
Jung's myth for modern man
In Carl Jung's world a myth does not mean that something isn't true. As humans can't fully comprehend the divine, or the immensity of God, we have to understand these things in an Earthly humanly way instead which makes more sense to us. So we may imagine that in the realm of the divine there are angels, devils, demons, God as Father, etc. These things are not really untrue but are symbolic truths of a greater meaning.
Calls Jung's myth is also a symbolic truth, where God is becoming conscious through man, and through all the sentient creatures on the planet. Now what is interesting is that Carl Jung did not like the work of Hegel, but if Jung had studied Hegel he would have found out that he had the same myth as he did, and that he had come to the same conclusions about God.
Hegel was so deep that some philosophers eventually started to think that he was a really a con artist and a charlatan. And they started to say that philosophers who said they did understand him were really just lying, because Hegel was so incomprehensible, they thought.
Could it be possible that someone could be so intelligent that no one could understand really him? Did people pretend to understand Hegel so they could feel exceptionally smart intelligent too? Were very clever academics too scared to admit that Hegel went over their heads? Was this another case of the Emperors New Clothes?
Carl Jung had scintillating intelligence but couldn't get on with Hegel either.
Carl Jung's and Carl Jung's myth modern man
Remember this is only a myth; the true nature of the divine is beyond us to fully understand. In fact, God is so difficult to understand that the Catholic intellectual theologians throughout the centuries came up with negative theology, where they said that we can only understand God by describing what he isn't. God could not be pinned down to any kind of thing.
In this way Catholic Christian mysticism met the Eastern religious mysticism of the void, nothingness, and emptiness, where happiness is where we lose all self content, where there is no 'I' anymore, where we are simply nothing. Remember, nothing is still something in Buddhism; an analogy is like where in physics emptiness, or nothingness, is still space and time.
Carl Jung's and Hegel's myth
God is everything: emptiness and fullness, black and white, all dimensions and no dimensions, hot and cold, something and nothing, etc. If you are absolutely everything and there is nothing else outside of you then it is impossible to be really conscious of anything. If there is no outer edge to feel, because you are both the outer edge and beyond, and if you are both hot and cold, light and dark, infinity and the finite, there is nothing left to be aware of.
As creatures evolved on Earth they had to develop consciousness to survive. An amoebae living in pure bliss will never experience the hot or the cold as all temperature will be perfect, and it will never experience any hunger because all nutrition will provided before any concern ever kicks in. When all conditions are perfect this is bliss. But if the amoebae always lived in bliss it would never need to become conscious, and so it would not know that it was in bliss.
So we need to know the opposites to become conscious; to know pain so that we feel comfortable, to know sadness so that we can experience happiness, to feel loneliness and fear so that we can appreciate friendship and safety; to know excitement because we know boredom; to feel delight because we know the mundane; to feel beautiful because we know what it is like to feel ugly and unattractive; to love being with our friends because people are not always nice.
Individuation and the Absolute: Hegel, Jung, and the Path Toward Wholeness (Jung and Spirituality), by Sean M. Kelly.
Well said James R.
Series of massive terror attacks in Paris leave a reported 158 people dead. Biggest attack on a Western city since 911. Blaming ISIL at this stage.
State of emergency. Borders closed. etc Full hysteria.
http://crimesofempire.com/2015/11/14/black-friday-more-than-150-dead-in-series-of-paris-terror-attacks/
A PS. Wrote the above on the hop. Where/were I a bit more circumspect (and whole lot less pretense ‘n wordy), I might edit it into what I was trying to say, rather than skirting about doing a not-unusual confuse.
I’m too acutely aware why only the fewest and farthest between get Jesus for real. But questions about it being all-made up from hidden sources carries little weight. This line isn’t the trouble. The problem is, what’s interpreted to have been written and therefore said to have been intended - this, the conspiracy.
Is the Bible without error in formation and translation - ‘course not. Is it what God wants us to have - absolutely. Have the very words read and said - power? Here’s the ish?
Who knows how? Somehow gets ya, keeps ya, so that in all my wayward negligence and struggles, I believe I ...know, like my life depends on this - and does.
And reckon for others - go on now... go out loud, or silent but deep, get some urge goin, shout some anger at, groan and moan, make some noise, cry desperate, for freedom, hope God’s like Jesus. And see what?
If ya do, I believe, God’ll turn up and turn our reading of the book around.
But God isn’t a book, it isn’t why we believe, the book tells us the what and wherefores and carries the - dunamai - dynamic sparks and fire, because God theopneustos ‘breathed’ into these testaments, providing written natural-super-life.
But... impressions of contemporary church-ways, invariably nobble any move Jesus-wards. Plus, all the simplistic notions this is leading down to - us/them, right/wrong, built-in unspoken slag-offs, unnecessarily diminishing other kinds of respectful looking believers.
This’ll shut the door and put us off knocking but the book being ‘re-mixed by scammers’? - is finally un-provable either way. Having said this, I’m underway reading to review, Ralph Ellis on m’ up-and-coming site, evidence and respect demands a response and all that.
I know some people who sell supplements, ancient and pure, they’re naturally un-selly in approach. I don’t want to completely reduce connecting to the living God to squirting on Magnesium but - does it work? This is all they suggest. Is this really connecting with biology to make a difference? You’ll know or not? Ya hear m’plea...
Mark
Most interesting!
- Aangirfan
Sometimes when writing something very complex in only a few paragraphs my grammar might slightly wrong which I don't notice in the editing.
It shouldn't have said:
Carl Jung's and Carl Jung's myth modern man.
It should said,
Carl Jung's and Hegel's myth for modern man
There was a few more mistakes in the grammar which aren't important.
Don't just put "bull" mate, it doesn't help anyone. You sound like MSM - "It's bull so no need to look any further, we figured it all out, no need to investigate, everything is under control. Now over to sport."
If you don't agree tell me why. You may even persuade me if you try.
Parts of the world can be brutal and parts can be kind. Try talking to an elderly stranger that you meet at the bus stop. Most times they will be friendly. At least where I live.
Yes, I agree, when we meet a stranger and we connect, that can be a very lovely experience.
Didn't Malcolm X also say "When the white man came to Africa we had the land and he had the bible. When he left he had the land and we had the bible".
The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/theoriginsofchristianity.html
It was either misinterpreted or misinformation. The bible needs to be taken with a grain of salt, there is only bits and pieces left in there. I do appreciate Corinthians 13.
Something Transcendental: Loreena McKennitt sings "The Dark Night of the Soul" (A poem by St. John of the Cross)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzHeT-Go4Zg
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/grace_notes/_loreena_mckennitt_the.php
I think you're right.
stevieb
Christ was not a pacifist. He came to expose the sin of those misusing the Word of God for wicked means (Pharisess) and to stop the Synagogue of Satan. The Bible says not to pray for them for God will not hear It. There's a massively important message in that and other passages about evil.....and how the Inability to recognize true evil is fatal for Christians. And so the history of this century overwhelmingly demonstrates. ..
From the Orthodox Christian study bible:
Mark 11. The context: Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Palm Sunday), heralded as Messiah, until he cleanses the Temple of moneychangers, at which time the Jews turn on Him. The lush early foliage of the fig tree may be compared to Israel's lush display of palm fronds on His entry to the city, and the lack of fruit to their rejection of His spiritual teaching.
"12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it."
Mark 11:(12-14) " It was not the season for figs means that this fig tree had sprouted an early full foliage, but without bearing any fruit. Jesus, finding not even one fig, condemns it. In Scripture a fig tree is often a symbol of Israel (Hosea 9:10). Her fruitfulness has ceased, so the Kingdom will be taken from her and given to another people, who are called to bear spiritual fruit."
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Luke 13. The context: a chapter of parables about what happens to the unrepentant.
6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
8 “‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”
Luke 13:(6-8) "The fruitless fig tree is universally interpreted in the Church to be fallen humanity. The three years represent God's covenants with His people through Abraham, Moses and Christ. The keeper of the vineyard is Christ Himself, who intercedes on our behalf that He should suffer His passion and send the Holy Spirit to us before the final judgment takes place.
Here is the truth about 'Jesus', real name Immanuel or more accurately Jmmanuel: http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/PJ_02.pdf
Read before dismissing, please.
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