Saturday, 24 October 2015


Above, we see former Australian prime minister Gough Whitlam and some boys.

Fiona Barnett

Whistleblower Fiona Barnett has told the Australian media that she was the victim of a child abuse ring which included three former Australian prime ministers.

She says she was prostituted to 'paedophile parties' at Parliament House in Canberra.

Abuse survivors.

The CIA and its friends reportedly use child abuse rings to control the top people in Australia, and elsewhere.

Gough Whitlam

Anonymous makes the following allegations:

"Two of the Australian prime ministers ... are deceased.

"Gough Whitlam who fancied young Asian boys, and Sir William McMahon.

"Gough Whitlam was removed by a CIA organised scandal in Oz when he tried to close down the US Pine Gap spy station in the outback.. 

"They threatened to reveal his ... habits...


"Sir William McMahon is the father of Hollywood actor Julian McMahon. 

"The McMahons and the Kidmans (family of Nicole Kidman who was married to Tom Cruise) grew up together...

"The McMahons, Kidmans and Murdochs are all very close friends and holiday together. They have been close for generations.

Bob Hawke

"Former PM Bob Hawke is (allegedly) a CIA asset and travels extensively to Burma and Thailand to (allegedly) indulge in his taste for ...."

Young Talent Time. Debra Byrne claims she was raped while on Young Talent TimeYoung Talent Time stars Debra Byrne, Sally Boyden, Jamie Churchill and Bobby Driessen battled with drug addictions.


Fiona Barnett

Fiona Barnett says that, at the age of five, she was abused by a child abuse ring which included top politicians, top police and top members of the judiciary.

She says there are thousands of other victims.

She says: "My experiences were horrific beyond words.

"But the way I've been treated for reporting the crimes I witnessed and experienced has been far worse than my original abuse experiences."

She says she witnessed child abduction, torture, rape and murder.

She says the operation was a "very well-coordinated international paedophile ring."


The CIA and its friends have reportedly used child abuse rings in Belgium.


The CIA and its friends have reportedly used child abuse rings in the UK.


The CIA and its friends have reportedly used child abuse rings in the USA.

We don't like the term 'pedophile' because there is more than one definition of the word.

We prefer the phrase 'child abuser' because the meaning is more clear.

Most of the child abusers turn out to be married men and married women, who are not strictly speaking 'pedophile'.

Young Talent Time. Jamie Redfern, who toured the world with Liberace.

Now, what happened to Harold Holt who disappeared in December 1967?

And, was the wife of Sir William McMahon Jewish?



Young Talent Time



  2. Very good, that brilliantly explains Gough Whitlam's complete surrender post-his 1975 intrigues.

  3. fake all over


  5. The McMahons,the Kidman's and the Murdoch's are ALL crypto Jews.
    Kidman the movie star was once booed at an awards ceremony in Italy for "promoting" incest.
    Could Aangirfan enlarge on the reason you don't like the word pedophile.......

    1. Pls prove the McMahons and Kidmans are crypto-Jews, will u?

  6. No idea of the truth of the allegations but there is little logic in Anonymous's claims regarding Whitlam in my opinion. If Whitlam had been a blackmailed child abuser they could have simply stood over him and made him stop looking at Pine Gap etc. There would be no need for the dismissal. The whole point of these networks is that they provide the means to control politicians seamlessly thus avoiding the need for messy constitutional coups.
    No idea what Gough Whitlam got up to but the narrative is at fae value, nonsense.
    Regarding Bob Hawke, 100% low life stooge of both the CIA and Mossad (when an ambitious Union boss in 1974 Hawke publicly recommended Israel nuke her enemies) but it is Hawke's most well known colleague whose interests seem to run in that direction. That is the person worth looking at in my opinion.
    The list Heffernan describes is real, it has 28 names, it was signed off on by the QC overseeing the 1990s Wood Royal Commission and the list, much like the Dickens dossier, was given to the Attorney General in the mid 2000s and then disappeared although it.still exists .
    The terms of reference of the Wood Royal Commission were to target and identify police rather than political or judicial corruption.
    The presiding justice seems to have simply used the terms of reference as a cloak to avoid investigating this group, and corruption in general outside the police.
    Fiona Barnett appears to be describing a separate and different group to Heffernan, Heffernan is alleging that former clients of Costellos from the legal fraternity were protected, Barnett is not describing a primarily homosexual grouping, clearly as she is a victim, the Heffernan list seems to relate to the abuse of young males solely or at least largely.
    Interestingly one of Barnetts claims relates to a US political figure at a Canberra airfield, similar claims were made this year about a visit by President Ronald Reagan to a US air base in Germany in 1985.
    Given Barnett's age, there is no possibility that she was sexually abused in Canberra by any President(not that she is claiming that, she is not to my knowledge) as she was not born when LBJ travelled to Australia in around 1967 or 68 and would have been at least around 20 years old by the time of the next Presidential visit of George"Daddy" Bush in 1992. Barnett was apparently born in around 1970 as her age is quoted at 45 years.
    Thanks for covering this Aangirfan.

    1. So because of Hawke's comments about Israel nuking her enemies he must be guilty of being involved in the sex ring? I am not saying he isn't..I do believe that the CIA used his services whilst he was ACTU leader and even as prime minister but we have to get concrete proof of any wrongdoing.

      The alleged victim has suggested that she was molested at Disneyland and says that Walt Disney was a pedophile but if he was the one who abused her in 1975 (when the alleged events took place) I would say she is wrong because Disney died in 1966.
      You would expect more coverage about Hawke and Whitlam if they both raped her but like I wrote both sides need to be examined.

    2. The American president Fiona mentions is Richard nixon, not LBJ. Fiona was about 5 years old in 1974 when nixon raped her.

  7. Can't speak for Aangirfan, but maybe the reason for disliking the word "pedophile" is because that implies a sexual attraction to children, and ONLY children. Whereas child abuse is what makes the world go round - anyone who craves power and influence HAS to practise it to further themselves.

  8. Abe Saffron was an infamous Sydney vice lord between the 1960s and 1990s.
    Abe Safrron ran blackmail operations against police and politicians. He would provide prominent people with prostitutes, film them and fix them that way.
    This aspect has disappeared from the narrative but they were using young girls also is my understanding.
    This is an ok ABC documentary about Saffron, all that is required to understand what is happening is to realise that the events described in this never stopped. Interestingly regarding Epstein and so many other similar cases, Saffron was from a Jewish background and maintained close ties with Israel throughout his life. There is no real evidentiary connection but at face value Saffron looks just like a cutout or front-man for Israeli intelligence.
    Mr Sin - The Abe Saffron Story

  9. Semantics is a popular theme with the wordsmith's that are in charge of conditioning the masses using an 'Overton Window' effect, gradually shifting our perception of various 'norms'. Although there is no real 'love' for a child when you sexually abuse them so the term pedophile is a misnomer from the beginning, a product of highly distorted Greek minds. No, any form of sexual violation of a child should be deemed child abuse and should never be given the designation that connotates love in any sense of which promoters of that kind of vile expression like Pedophile Information Exchange has tried to disseminate to the masses wholesale. The lexicon of abuse terminology has to be monitored very carefully.


    1. Thank you for your comment

  10. Sociopaths, Psychopaths and Death Eaters

    The propaganda arm of this international ring of torturers which attempted to normalize abuse of children and babies as ‘sex’ is still very apparent in the corporate media coverage of the CSA inquiry which depicts the torture and murder of children as “sex attacks on kids”, “child sex” or a “sex scandal”. Sex is not an attack. This is not sex. The fact that these people tortured and murdered children in their recreational hours does not make them simply pedosadists, or what corporate media still likes to call pedophiles in acquiescence to PIE’s demands that they be depicted as ‘child-lovers’. Their recreation may have revolved around torturing children, but their office hours as UK media and government establishment revolved around torture and mass murder of people from all demographics. It is not sufficient to call them psychopaths or sociopaths since very few of those seriously harm others and almost none to this extent. These people who want to be known as child lovers are death eaters. They feed on the agony of others. They torture and murder not because they have to, but because it feeds something in them. The only reason they are attracted to children is the increase in pain, horror, power, and taboo. They are no less attracted to mass slaughter than they are to the torture of children.


  11. In the late 60s, early 70s, I worked for a woman in Sydney who claimed McMahon's wife was her cousin. The family name was Gollan and the woman for whom I worked was of Irish descent, several generations earlier

    Re: Kidman. In the fanfare surrounding her second marriage in Sydney, one of the major media (could have been Sydney Morning Herald) reported she'd been married in a Sydney synagogue. This was very swiftly denied by Kidman's spokespersons who claimed the pink decorations in the synagogue had been for a girl's bar mitzvah. There was a church wedding for Kidman very shortly afterward which was covered fully by the media. Rumour was that she'd first been married in the synagogue, followed by the church wedding for public consumption. I don't know if that was the case


    2. Kidman's first marriage to Tom Cruise was a ten year arrangement when both were not such big stars and Cruise needed to look heterosexual. They divorced almost 10 years to the day and it was very acrimonious as Kidman hadn't figured on Cruise keeping their adopted kids within the Scientology Church. Note how the daughter just married and didn't invite Nicole. Also Cruise had not figured on Kidman becoming such a huge star but that was done as the Kidman family have been life long friends with Rupert Murdoch who was responsible for her fame.
      Without a doubt Billy McMahon was at least gay and it was an arranged marriage to his physiotherapist Sonia who achieved some fame when she arrived at the White House in a long leg revealing gown. McMahon was a shorty & about 5'5". Julian McMahon cannot be his biological son as he's about 6'4" and looks almost the spitting image of another politician who it was said was Sonia McMahon's lover. Also Fiona Barnett has already said that Gough Whitlam liked Asian boys. He also 'adopted' a young Argentinian boy in the 1980s who is now in jail for drug dealing. Whitlam was definitely removed by a CIA arranged coup because he not only demanded to tour Pine Gap but he was trying to buy back all of Australia's mineral assets via huge loans from the USA. Whitlam like Bob Hawke was groomed by the CIA to rise to power but like many of their assets he got carried away. They knew of both men's secret lives but only Hawke remained faithful to his masters and has thrived financially.

    3. The surname Kidman does sound Jewish.

  12. Several years ago, there existed an Aussie website known as Gaiaguys. It was owned and run by two middle-aged, retired public servants, surnamed Dyson.

    When the Dysons retired to their idyllic land on the north coast of NSW, Australia, their intentions were to be self-sustaining. Adjacent was a national park. By chance, the Dysons discovered a colony of tiny frogs which had long been believed as extinct. Gaiaguys informed the authorities. Very swiftly, bulldozers destroyed the tiny frogs' habitat. The national park was sold for a dollar per acre to a developer by a local MP, according to Gaiaguys website. They named the politician in question on their site

    The Dysons/Gaiaguys were soon under siege. Their home, their vehicle, their pets, etc. were shot at and there were numberous arson attempts.

    During that time, Gaiaguys were contacted by a local middle-aged couple who'd long lived in the region and who had a lovely home, healthy bank-account, lots of friends, etc. The middle-aged couple had picked up a young boy who'd been hitch-hiking. They took him home, fed him, etc. The boy told them he'd escaped from a boy's home in the region and said he and other boys had been sexually abused, beaten and pimped to local freemasons, police and politicians.

    The middle-aged couple were innocents and they reported the matter to the local police with whom they'd long had an excellent relationship. Soon, the couple were under attack. One young police officer who'd attempted to further their report about the boy's alleged abuse - was transferred. From then on, the middle aged couple realised they were living in a newly hostile climate. Strange things were happening to their bank accounts. Their phone seemed to be bugged, etc. And people they'd known for decades were ignoring them.

    It became so bad and the couple believed they were in such danger, that they grabbed their dogs and left their home. From then on, they lived in a caravan, driving by night and parked in hiding during the day. The husband had an existing heart condition but dared not contact his doctor for fear he and his wife would be traced. The couple also avoided using their bank accounts and were forced to rely and survive upon money sent to them by their remaining friends who sent envelopes to post offices to be collected as the couple moved around Australia

    Gaiaguys related the story as it unfolded on their website. The middle-aged couple told Gaiaguys via hand-written letters that their previous local police, freemasons and politicians (including their previous local MP - the same one who'd allegedly sold parts of a national park to developers) were involved in sexual and other abuse of boys at well-known and trusted boys homes

    Gaiaguys - under siege themselves but unbroken -- created a massive website which had changed focus basically from the environment to the corruption they were learning about from the public. Gaiaguys were breathtakingly frank and pulled no punches. They named names. (more to follow - have exceeded word-count)

  13. Eventually, Gaiaguys established contact with Dr. Reina Michaelson, herself an Australian of the Year. Dr. Michaelson was described thus on the Gaiaguys website:

    *is the Executive Director of the Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Program (CSAPP), a multi-award winning non-profit, charitable organisation that runs a school-based personal safety education program, among other programs, in Australia. She has a doctorate in Psychology, and her thesis concerning the prevention of child sexual abuse was awarded the Vice Chancellor's Medal for Excellence in Research by Victoria University in 2001. She was also the Victorian and National Young Australian of the Year in the category of Community Service in 1996/97*

    Dr. Michaelson allegedly told Gaiaguys of inflammatory information involving paedophiles within Australian show business and politics and about child-porn which was allegedly filmed at a well-known tv channel. Gaiaguys put it all on their website and once again, they named names.

    Gaiaguys were informed of a quasi-religious group which operates worldwide and which has been singled out in books such as the Da Vinci Code and Yallop's 'In God's Name'. Gaiaguys copied and pasted what they claimed was the published mission-statement of that religious group and provided links to the religious group's website so people could read the mission-statement for themselves in situ.

    Throughout, Gaiaguys claimed they had contacted the NSW Premier and Ministers for Police, etc. and had reported what they were learning about wide-spread peadophilia involving high-profile politicians, police, etc. Gaiaguys published their letters on their site, in addition to the responses they received. Nothing was being done but Gaiaguys persisted and continued naming names on their site.

    The end for Gaiaguys came in an insidious manner, apparently. They were charged by the religious group with defamation. Gaiaguys repeatedly explained that the religious group's mission-statement was freely available to anyone who visited the group's website. So how could they be accusing Gaiaguys of defamation when all they'd done was copy and paste the mission statement onto the Gaiaguys site?

    Nevertheless, Gaiaguys were summoned to attend court -- a court in the State of Victoria, even though Gaiaguys lived on the north coast of New South Wales.

    Gaiaguys had very little money, but they travelled to Victoria to attend court on several occasions. And, according to Gaiaguys, each time they did, they were told the court appearance had been postponed. Gaiaguys were having to pay travel and accommodation expenses each time they travelled to Victoria. Soon their money ran out. They received another summons to attend court and believing it would again be cancelled, they didn't go. They were sentenced in their absence. The Dysons (Gaiaguys) were sentenced to five years in prison, each.

  14. (3rd part of 3 Comments)

    Members of the public tried to maintain the Gaiaguy website and for a time it was available on a mirror site. Today, there is little left of the Gaiaguy site. Many links now lead nowhere. Vital information has been lost/purged out of existence

    However, here is an url which will take people to what's left:

    and here, which deals specifically with what happens to any Australian politician who breaks ranks (Remember to KEEP scrolling down through the gaps until you hit the next article)
    More to follow, next post. Have exceeded the character-count

    The Dysons (Gaiaguys) must be close to, or over, 70 by now. I heard online that they had moved to Tasmania after their release from prison. I have not seen that confirmed anywhere. For all we know, they could be dead. Whatever the case, they were effectively silenced.

    Dr. Reina Michaelson later amended or retracted comments and information attributed to her on the Gaiaguys site

    Others in Australia have attempted to expose organised paedophilia in Australia

    Australian paedophile politician here: They most likely acknowledged it because (a) he's dead (b) he wasn't a terribly high profile politician and (c) admitting to a low-profile, dead politician will convince the voting public that 'See - we're not hiding anything'

    HERE is a link Aangirfan could explore -- it's one of the few remaining links from the Gaiaguys site:

    The above concerns paedophilia involving South Australian politicians and the attempt to expose them by the Speaker of the House, Peter Lewis

    Unfortunately, the victim-witnesses coincidentally died. The Speaker, Peter Lewis, came under concerted attack and resigned. Decent politicians tried but failed to get action. And incredibly, there was a news black-out against reporting the sordid matter to the rest of Australia. Barely anyone remembers any of it now. So Aangirfan could find valuable information at the above link - for as long as it remains. (and keep scrolling beyond the gaps on the page, because there's more if you just keep scrolling - remembering that the Gaiaguys website was plundered, purged and left in tatters after they were dumped in prison for daring to draw public attention to the vile appetites of Australian politicians, police, etc.)

    Then, hopefully, Aangirfan will learn what was meted out from on high on Australian politician Franca Arena when she dared to raise the matter of paedophilia in the Australian Parliament

    Re: Fiona Barnett -- see here where she claims she has *repeatedly* reported her experiences to police via a statutory declaration -- lots of info from past years,6460 -- this is Part One,6689 -- this is Part Two

    Aangirfan may chose not to publish my Comment which is fine. My intention really is to provide Aangirfan with information he may not already have

  15. For Aangirfan

    Quote: “District Court Judge Garry Neilson said just as gay sex was socially unacceptable and criminal in the 1950s and 1960s but is now widely accepted, “a jury might find nothing untoward in the advance of a brother towards his sister once she had sexually matured, had sexual relationships with other men and was now ‘available’, not having [a] sexual partner”.”

    “He also said the “only reason” that incest is still a crime is because of the high risk of genetic abnormalities in children born from consanguineous relationships “but even that falls away to an extent [because] there is such ease of contraception and readily access to abortion”.” (Click here to read more) End quote


  16. More of Fiona Barnett's story and testimony here:

  17. For Aangirfan -- scroll down for Comments

  18. For Aangirfan, re: Australian politician paedophiles

    The OTO is the religious group behind the imprisonment of Gaiaguys (who were Dyson and his partner Vivianne Legg, both retired pubic servants). Gaiaguys and Dr Reina Michaelson named names of Australian tv personalities and politicians on the Gaiaguys website

    Several links/urls to further information are contained in the above Facebook page

  19. For Aangirfan

    You may remember I attempted to post a 3-part Comment earlier today (I'd exceeded posting character-count). I don't know if all 3 parts made it through.

    The first two parts concerned an Australian website, 'Gaiaguys' run by a man named Dyson Devine and his partner, Vivianne Legg, both of whom were retired public servants who'd retired to the far north coast of New South Wales, Australia.

    After stumbling upon land-deal corruption, which they reported to no avail, Gaiaguys exposed the situation on their website, 'Gaiaguys', which originally had been intended as a self-sufficiency site about growing food, etc.

    Soon after posting about the corruption they'd discovered, Gaiaguys were contacted by a middle-aged couple (the McDonalds) who lived in the region. The second couple had picked up a young, male hitch-hiker. They took him home, fed him, etc. He in turn revealed he was running from a boys home where he and other boys were preyed upon by high ranking paedophiles including local freemasonic members, senior police, politicians, etc. The couple reported it to the police and fully expected police would act immediately. Instead, it was the couple themselves who became targets of police, freemasons, politicians, etc. The couple fled, forced to leave their until then comfortable lives. But they managed to continue furnishing Gaiaguys with information.

    The link below involves a little about the couple and their attempts to persuade the authorities to take action. It is incomplete, because the Gaiaguys website was ransacked after they were imprisoned. Nevertheless, it will give you an insight into the extent of the problem. Causley was the MP accused by Gaiaguys of selling national park land to a developer. Later, Causley became Speaker apparently - gaiaguys described it as his 'reward' from on high

    You might remember that Fiona Barnett (currently in the news) attempted to report high profile paedophiles to Tweed police. You will see Tweed police mentioned in the attached link about the McDonald's

    Gaiaguys were set-up by the OTO & the Aussie establishment, after which they were imprisoned for five years reportedly & their website stripped of anything which could hurt the establishment. Whether Gaiaguys survived prison is unknown

  20. For Aangirfan

    When you have time, this may be of interest re: paedophiles Australia

    The OTO was of course used to silence and remove Dyson Devine and Vivianne Legg of the website 'Gaiaguys'

    Gaiaguys had already published the name and photo of a *very* well known tv 'star', also a State Premier

    Gaiaguys had been shot at, been subjected to arson attempts. Their pets and animals had been killed. Lots more. All by 'persons unknown' of course. Strangely, police seemed helpless. So whatever criticisms may be directed at Gaiaguys, lack of guts could never be one of them

    They just kept going. Their website was 'organic' -- tendrils (tangents, links, etc) everywhere, like a rambling rose run wild. They knew they were in danger, yet they just kept going as if they were fearless. They were not young nor strong. They had next to nothing to live on. They'd begun from scratch, as innocents. What they learned set them on the justice/injustice path. So the OTO were used to silence and remove them

    Running searches for Devine Legg OTO should bring up heaps of info. Most news reports get it wrong - intentionally or otherwise. Those of us who were reading Gaiaguys through the contorted mess knew that Gaiaguys had gone down to Victoria several times at their own expense, only for the hearing to be postponed when they arrived at the court. They were provoked. When they failed to attend, they were sentenced in their absence. I've just read scholarly blogs setting out how their sentencing was in fact unlawful. To begin with, Gaiaguys lived in northern NSW. What authority demanded they attend court in an entirely different State some 1000 plus kilometres away? Doesn't matter. The priority was to silence them, imprisoning them to scare others and of course, removal of all that damning material in the Gaiaguys website.

    Gaiaguys copied and pasted OTO's mission-statement on the Gaiaguys website. That was regarded as defamatory, apparently, no matter how vested interests attempt to spin it otherwise now Gaiaguys are out of the way (somewhere and still alive we hope).

    Anyway, high profile paedophiles in Australia achieved their objective. Gaiaguys revealed more about the situation on their homemade website than all the Oz media combined. Gaiaguys were silenced.

    Unsure about Fiona Barnett. Why is she still alive? Will she be 'proven' a fantasist or liar in months to come? Whatever the case, be very careful in print re: the OTO

    1. Just a phenomenal contribution, Thank You.


      Looking forward to what Aangirfan does with it!

  21. To Aangirfan

    This: re: paedophilia Australia, governments, freemasons by their various names

    Post #4 by 'loveandgratitude'.

    Post #6 -- ton of information too

    and so on

    Post #8 dated 2011 suggests Gaiaguys were murdered. Huge loss if so. I doubt they would have been able to remain silent if they were still alive. Those imbued with sense of justice/injustice just do not - cannot -- tuck their tails between their legs and shut up

    You might think my posts have nothing to do with Fiona Barnett's claims, but she's just the tip of a very dirty iceberg.

  22. I attended the book launch of "Ripple Effect" which is a thinly-veiled (names changed to protect the usual suspects) account of the disappearance of Harold Holt. Allegedly, Gough Whitlam, some Australian retired generals and business leaders (allegedly Reg Ansett intended to strong arm Holt re Australian involvement in Vietnam.The exercise did not go to plan, but also seems to explain the subsequent demise of Ansett Airlines.

    Peter Abeles on the other hand was allegedly heavily involved in the infamous pilots's strike, and that account also depicts an Aus PM-as mentioned here on Aangirfan- heavily into child sexual abuse in Asia.

    I am particularly moved by the story of Christopher Boyce who blew the whistle on CIA activity in Australia and the Trade Unions. His handling of the material he uncovered was clearly misguided, but all these stories just go to show how powerless we are, when it comes to being heard in the Con-dom.

    Blessings to You Aangirfan, for your tireless works xx

  23. To Aangirfan

    Looks like an internal and public proclamation

    OTO HEAD QUITS. Scroll down to The Principal Mistakes, Number 2, 'Litigiousness'. Rest is good info to have to hand too

    Wikipedia. Ordo Templi Orientis

    Less than 1200 members worldwide when Allan H. Greenfield quit the OTO. See at bottom of page in External Links which will lead you to

    Does the Aussie establishment ordinarily recognise self-titled 'religions' comprising approx. 1200 members worldwide? We know Dyson Devine and Vivianne Legg were imprisoned for 'Religious Vilification' re: the OTO

    Or was the OTO merely a tool to silence and imprison Legg and Dyson and their website Gaiaguys which exposed paedophile politicians, police, members of the legal industry?

    Shame the Oz government wasn't as concerned about the fate of children at the hands of paedophiles as it is with a laughably small 'religion'

    I'm going to try not to bother you any further. Searches for 'Dyson Legg OTO' will bring up copious info. Difficult finding out if Dyson and Legg survived their incarceration, however. And nothing's changed for the kids

    Best regards :-)

  24. To Aangirfan

    Said I wouldn't bother you again. Sorry

    But ...

    Dr. Reina Michaelson -- tons of info, including the name of the very well-known Aussie tv 'star', etc. and much more

  25. Excellent. Synchronicity. Was following a hunch about Bob Hawke searching this afternoon but found nothing....had suspicions after spending a week on a course in California which one of his daughters attended and with whom I am back in touch but haven't gone near this subject not wanting to hurt her.....I guess it's out now. Any further links on Hawke?

  26. I believe Fiona I know for a fact they are doing it to Aboriginal kids in care TODAY.

  27. Another....throw enough mud it will stick