Sunday 2 August 2015

MYSTERIOUS JAMES CASBOLT


James Michael Casbolt

James Casbolt, from Cornwall, claims to have seen aliens.

James Casbolt claims to have been mind controlled by the security services and this might explain why he apparently believes in aliens.

James Casbolt has mixed with the de Rothchilds.

In 2011 James Casbolt married Haley Meijer, the daughter of the billionaire Hank Meijer, the co-chairman of a giant American supermarket chain.

James Casbolt then moved the US and joined the US Army.
On 28 July 2015, James Casbolt was jailed for 12 years at Truro Crown Court in the UK.

Casbolt was found guilty of blackmailing Haley Meijer Casbolt, from whom he split in 2013.

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On the left, James Casbolt and Haley Meijer-Casbolt

Casbolt claims that he has worked for MI6 and other security services.

He claims that he has taken part in government programmes to create genetically engineered 'super soldiers'.

At the age of 15, Casbolt carried out an armed robbery in Cornwall.

James Casbolt's father, the late Peter Casbolt, ran a business importing antiques, but "he was a drug-dealing gangster with a string of properties on the Costa del Crime."

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James Casbolt's stepbrother, Simon Millward, says:

'I've seen all the stuff James has been writing online about M16.

'It's to impress women. It's amazing how many people have been taken in by it.

Haley Meijer, on an internet forum, wrote: 'Being engaged to James Casbolt, I hear all sorts of stories of his experiences in underground bases and cloning facilities as his memories come flooding back and he works to heal and overcome his past trauma. It is fascinating.'

Just a few months after James married Haley Meijer, James joined the U.S. Army in Texas.

He was discharged a year later in December 2012.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.



James Michael Casbolt, aka Michael Prince (above), has written about Mind Control.

Agent Buried Alive


He claims to have been mind controlled by the security services and this might explain why he believes in aliens.



Subway.

His photos of 'an alien base' have been shown to be in fact photos of the Stockholm subway.

One may have to take what he says with a pinch of salt. Some say his story is all a hoax.



James Michael Casbolt writes that, as he began to free himself from the brainwashing, he was "directly helped by renegade factions in British Intelligence and the NSA."

It is possible that some of the 'help' he has reportedly been given was not really 'help'.

It is possible that he is being used to discredit 'whistleblowers'.

It is possible that he is mind-controlled to believe in aliens.

 
James Michael Casbolt (above) wrote: "My mother isn’t the ONLY pedophile in our family history! And I find humor in how people still believe my story about not being biologically hers even though I look JUST LIKE HER!"  posted here.

James Michael Casbolt was born in London in 1976.

His family "descends from the French royal family."

His father's mother "was a French aristocrat named Vera Tilard."

Members of his family have been high up freemasons.

His Grandfather, James Casbolt, "was involved in naval intelligence in the Second World War."

Because of "rare genetic attributes", he "was chosen for an intelligence agency mind control and genetic enhancement program before his birth."

He "was born into the program known as Project Mannequin."

Agent Buried Alive


Berkshire Freemasons entertaining kids

James Michael Casbolt's Grandfather, James Casbolt, "was a high-ranking member of the Sindlesham Grand Masonic lodge" in Berkshire.

"Berkshire is a major centre of activity in the U.K for what has come to be known as The New World Order."

Grandfather, James Casbolt "was a Zionist Jew."

Grandfather, James Casbolt was "heavily involved with Rupert Murdoch and ran his own printing company after the war."


Berkshire Freemasons and sea cadets.

James Michael Casbolt's uncle, Brian Casbolt, "was an MI5 operative."

His father Peter Casbolt "was a MI6 operative."

His stepfather, Neil Pettet, was a high level executive of an aluminium metal company.

Neil "had a military defense contract" and "worked underground at R.A.F. Welford" and "Harwell genetics labs in the area and Boscombe Down military unit in Wiltshire."

"Both these places are heavily connected to Project Mannequin."


Howard Marks

James Michael Casbolt's father "was involved in international drug trafficking operations bringing millions of pounds worth of illegal drugs into Britain from the 1960’s onward."

"He worked with associates of MI6 operative Howard Marks and operated in Rome, Spain, the Middle East, and other places."

Howard marks was a drug smuggler.

James Casbolt - Whale.


UK Prime Minister David Cameron at the funeral of his father in Peasemore in Berkshire. Cameron grew up in Peasemore.

Project Mannequin is a mind control and genetic manipulation program run by the USA's National Security Agency (NSA).

Project Mannequin was started in 1972 and "is still being run from a  six level underground facility beneath the small town of Peasemore in Berkshire."

"This NSA facility, known in intelligence circles as the AL/499 base, is located 200 feet below the village...

"The project involves the kidnapping of targeted civilians and also certain intelligence and military people."


MI5 whistleblower David Shayler.

James Michael Casbolt  says he was sold into the Mannequin project.

The aim of the Mannequin project is "to create programmed 'sleeper' agents using sophisticated electronic hardware-based hypnosis.

"These individuals are programmed by the NSA...

"A large part of the project focuses on creating espionage agents and assassins who have undergone genetic enhancements..."


Whistleblower Bradley Manning


James Michael Casbolt  says he was trained since the age of five at the AL/499 and other military bases around the U.K.

He says he carried out his first covert assassination for the intelligence community when he was sixteen years old in Brighton.

He says "much of the secret service apparatus in the U.K and U.S is an occult, pedophile network run by corrupt factions of the 'Illuminated' degrees of Freemasonry (33rd degree and above).

"Everything in Project Mannequin is organized by the Jewish kabala occult system, using such esoteric methods as numerology and archeometry (advanced remote viewing)."

By the time he was nineteen, he "was involved in covert MI6 drug trafficking operations working for his father...

"This was in London between 1995 and 1999."



James Michael Casbolt says that the security services' mind control operations are usually a multi-generational thing.

He says his family may have been targeted for mind control before the 1950's.

He says that the NSA "is very interested in creating genetically enhanced assassins and espionage agents who have certain inborn genetic traits such as PSI/psychic ability.

"These genetic enhancement methods are a continuation of the Nazi geneticists and mind control doctors in the Second World War."

The Nazi wanted to produce "genetically enhanced soldier with heightened senses, intelligence, strength, and paranormal abilities such as telepathy."

 
NSA HQ

James Michael Casbolt says that the NSA is looking for people of certain bloodlines -  very often Celtic/ blueblood/ aristocratic people.

These people often have paranormal/PSI abilities and connections to rituals, both ancient and masonic.

Individuals of Celtic blueblood lines have an RH-negative blood factor which means oxygen is processed in the blood differently to people with RH-positive blood.


Sorcha Faal, otherwise known as David Booth of the CIA. David Booth works within the Central Intelligence Agency in COINTELPRO. redactednews.blogspot.com

James Michael Casbolt writes that as he began to untangle myself from the Mannequin project, he was directly helped by renegade factions in British Intelligence and the NSA, who want to see Mannequin shut down.

This NSA faction allegedly de-briefed him on deeper aspects of the program.



James Michael Casbolt, aged thirty one, apparently found that the neural pathways in the brain that hold back memories of mind control procedures began to open up and he gegan to remember in detail what happened to them in the facilities where the procedures occurred.

He writes that "often, a sleeper is killed before their 30th birthday because of this. This is known in intelligence circles as "being thrown from the Freedom train."

He says that at least 5 Mannequin programmes and a lot of sub-projects had been stored in his brain.

He writes that, since 2006, he has been slowly accessing more and more of this information.


Benjamin Fulford - 'disinformation agent'.

James Michael Casbolt's remembrance of the base where he was mind-controlled, as a child, is as follows:

"I was drugged at the time and the memory is still very hazy.

"When we arrived, I was taken into lab and strapped into a seat that looked like a dentist’s chair. There was a large screen in front of me, and I was injected with another drug...

"One man stood to the left of the chair, and another man stood to the right. They were both dressed in lab coats.

"The man on the right said to me: 'if you forget everything we've told you, try and remember one thing: he’ll try and convince you that pain feels like pleasure.'"


Child being mind-controlled by the CIA

James Michael Casbolt "managed to track down a man called Barry King, who was a former security guard at the AL/499 underground base."

James writes that the people running the Mannequin project include: Mr. Whitmore (former head of the project), Mr. Samms (head of security), Mr. Hodge, Dr. Pearson and Dr. Perchowski.



Robin Ramsay, editor of Lobster writes:

1. Casbolt writes that the late Tibor Rosenbaum “funded and supported ‘Permindex’, the MI6 assassination unit which was at the heart of the John F Kennedy assassination.”

But Permindex has been researched to death, and there is no evidence that Rosenbaum funded Permindex, or that it can be found “at the heart” of the JFK assassination. 


Indeed, it has no connection at all with the case.

2. Casbolt also writes of “Sir Francis de Guingand, former head of British intelligence ...and every head of MI5 and MI6, has been involved in the drug world...”

But Freddie de Guingand ... died in 1979 and was definitely not head of British intelligence.

3. Casbolt refers to William Casey as "head of the council of the media network ABC.
"

There may be another ‘William Casey’ with a link to ABC – I looked but I couldn’t find one – but, from the context, Casbolt must be referring to the late William Casey who was head of the CIA under Ronald Reagan, and died 19 years ago. 


Let's not blame aliens for the crimes of the CIA. Paul Bonacci in front of the ranch where, reportedly, Johnny Gosch, and other boys were held captive. Paul Bonacci has stated that, as a youth, he was forced to participate in satanic snuff films. He identified Bohemian Grove as the location of a satanic murder. Paul  Bonacci said that, as a child, he was kidnapped by the US military, tortured and subjected to sex abuse and mind control. In 1999, in a court in Omaha, he won $1,000,000 in damages. 

4. Google ‘Casbolt’ and you discover other articles in which the author extends his claims into ‘greys’, 9/11, alien abductions, underground bases and alien-human hybrids. Uh-huh.

Casbolt’s articles have been carried, without comment or criticism, by:


www.rense.com,

and www.Davidicke.com


www.forteantimes.com...


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Chapter - Mannequin Chapter - The Return Of The Watchers Chapter - The Modern History Of Behavior Modification Chapter - The River Of Love Chapter - Born Into The Project Chapter - The Sublime View Chapter - Convergence of The Star Children Chapter - Close Encounters at "Home" Chapter - Psychosexual Mind Control Chapter - Altars Combine


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21 Comments:

At 3 August 2015 at 02:02 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

why did they feel the need to specify "of natural causes"? Wasnt it known already? Or perhaps she didnt die "of natural causes" at all....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3182908/Former-singer-TV-presenter-Cilla-Black-dies-aged-72.html

 
At 3 August 2015 at 02:19 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/abdullah-alsenussi-execution-this-perversion-of-justice-suits-western-security-services-just-fine-10433785.html

 
At 3 August 2015 at 02:29 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Myths of Mankind - The Gnostic Origins of Christianity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-3fGiLwqk

 
At 3 August 2015 at 04:42 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You'd be mistaken for thinking Mr Casbolt may have been put out there to discredit anyone who may try and tell a similar story!

Psychic and telepathic research conducted by Govts? Yep!
Underground military bases... Yep! (in the event of nuclear holocaust of course)
Aliens... well... I just think the WHOLE Alien/ET conspiracy is the biggest psy-op ever perpetrated on the public!
Exp... The Rowell crash... 1947... gee... I wonder if it's to deflect attention away from other things that where going on around that time? :/ Just fought a World War, beginnings of The Cold War, the creation of Israel ($250 trillion of mineral wealth)... are some of the top Nazis still alive in Argentinia? The beginning of the United Nations, World Bank and EU... give the morons a crashed Flying Saucer!

Every time I see that photo of Shayler... I think Heath Ledger from Dark Knight (when he's dressed as nurse)... I shouldn't take the piss because when you get on the wrong side of these people, they'll try and send you batshit crazy! (I was already batshit crazy before I ever got involved with this! Happier... but still bat shit crazy)

Oh yeah... The RH Negative Bloodgroup.... THERE IS SOMETHING TO IT AANG/IRFAN! I don't even know what the fuck is going on past Rothschild, and pre 1800... no idea at all!

Impress women? Is that not the whole point of ever applying to the security services in the first place? C'mon now... be honest with yourselves! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR5bOmP1Up0

 
At 3 August 2015 at 08:12 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

at the kent freedom movement we hada list of fake or controlled whistleblowers, such people as ben fulford james casbolt ellis taylor and the chao behind our England are all fakes

 
At 3 August 2015 at 08:48 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shayler and Manning...crude attempt to get us to accept the 'gay' agenda by making them our whistleblower heroes or/and something deeper?

 
At 3 August 2015 at 09:05 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

More noise in the conspiracy sector... This Gatekeeper seem to steal from Springmeier (former programmer), See Quote:

The programmers/masters program them with the expectation that they will be "thrown from the freedom train" when they get to age 30. (Freedom Train is the code word for the Monarch trauma-based mind-control. To be thrown from the Freedom Train means to be killed).

Thrown From the Freedom Train?
http://theocculttruth.com/index.php?p=1_137
A prophetic 2008 sculpture of Amy Winehouse called "The Only Good Rock Star is a Dead Rock Star".

 
At 3 August 2015 at 10:40 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in west Cornwall and Casbolt has been around here for years spinning his yarns particularly to the ladies ..he,s definetly an incredible storyteller..but thats about it...social services have known about him for time as well.They say all the nuts in a christmas stocking end up in the toe and thats exactly where St.Ives is if the UK is a sock and James is a super nut for sure-maybe a useful idiot at best (see Shrimpton )..will post any info about where in the prison system he is..good post Aang cheers x

 
At 4 August 2015 at 05:50 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://anyaisachannel.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/james-casbolts-response-thank-you-james.html

 
At 16 August 2015 at 09:21 , Blogger Unknown said...

He may do an 'ego' thing and plagiarise or confuse references in his contextualising of experiences few could put into words....but as a survivor of a military paedophile ring from conception and born in a purpose built post WW2 military hospital constructed to purpose in 100 and something days...RAF WEGBERG hospital serving all military and some non personnel from Belgium Germany border location area near Monchengladbach, Achen, Dusseldorf....as a survivor some memories I had and could never contextualise or process for missing bits and outlandish ness were triggered into focus reading Casbalt's AGENT BURIED ALIVE and watching his various interviews on youtube .....I had remembered acute cold beyond endurance and embracing despair as an infant in a cot.....tried to make sense of it and confused as to why such an early memory and why so distressing....when he talked of experiment testing limits of hyperthermia post war where babies were placed in nappies only in cots in an aircraft hanger exposed to severe elements particularly cold as part of an experiment it went BANG that is it.....not like a fantasy but suddenly made sense. My Father was Royal Air Force generational paedophile lost bloodline etc but that was not experiential memory those are facts.....similarly the chair picture in your article and a similar one stumbled across in Mengele research is a frozen memory for me.....I tried to contextualise it as an adult thinking well it must have BEEN a dentist trip and they must have been USING laughing gas for dental work and ......yet BANG again when one sees the experience in focus and in light of someone else having researched and gained more advanced understanding....other memories too of being hunted in forest and urinated on and in and out of consciousness and desperately trying to make those memories simply nightmares and yet......the drug thing mystified many survivors because the memory blanks before and after severe trauma led us to believe they could not be real memories and to go along with the propaganda damage limitation created psych schools of thought like false memory syndrome etc bla bla.....I heard a survivor at an anti child abuse rally outside Parliament in April talk of being out of it whilst raped and AMAZED when the other children in the home told him he had been 'in a coma' five days.....similarly he could never contextualise the apparent deep memories but the agony of a ripped rectum is not a nightmare.....the relief survivors feel when they regain pieces of their soul, psyche and sanity by finding out the unthinkable was true is immeasurable....we were conditioned to self invalidate which was very convenient for abusers....it is painful when people like Casbalt are publicly ridiculed and sniggered at as fantasists when fellow survivors despite his bravado and ego recognise grains of agonising truth that sear the soul. Boys like him don't just randomly marry daughters of billionaires this story warrants deeper research even if aliens are distractions and interpretations are comic book .....I personally believe aliens are manifestations of demons which show up physically where dark practises abound....such as Haiti with voodoo...many parts of Africa....New Orleans etc....the reason places around military bases attract UFO types is because there are indeed underground bases used for far darker purposes than simply shelters for royals and politicians in the event of London being bombed. That's my hit on it anyway.....I believe they wanted to breed from Casbalt....they did and the child is bizarrely named DRESDEN....and then they tossed him overboard....and he didn't go quietly. They were NEGOTIATING a pay off once the baby was born but considered him greedy in his amount when he realised he and probably his wife too had been duped....so they turned it in to a blackmail case....and won. Poor James. Poor Dresden.

 
At 2 August 2016 at 09:55 , Blogger Flossy said...

Do you know about Max Spiers? He, like J Casbolt is English and a same type of guy....and he's recently been rubbed out. please view: https://youtu.be/6ohxoe2jo-M




https://youtu.be/mrDds1kksfg

 
At 17 October 2016 at 00:48 , Blogger Occams Razor said...

As captain James T Kirk would say... he's as fruity as a nut-cake. What prison is he in? I'll send him a box of dog biscuits, he's obviously barking mad.

 
At 7 May 2017 at 21:07 , Blogger holly_young_2225 said...

You're absolutely correct. James is the real deal, as was Max Spiers. I was in some of the same programs. My memories started flooding back asof a year ago (when I turned 31). I was utilized as a human weapon from age 5, however.

 
At 7 May 2017 at 21:09 , Blogger holly_young_2225 said...

I don't know about controlled, but I can personally vouch for James Casbolt when I say that he's the real deal, as well as Max Spiers.

 
At 15 January 2018 at 07:36 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

James Casbolt is a narcissistic schizophrenic with no abilities and has never been a supersoldier. He simply rehashes and plagiarizes other peoples material. In many ways James Casbolt is a total loser and a waste of time who lives in his own fabricated delusional world of fake self-importance. He invented his bullshit story whilst living in his mum's house at Windsor Terrace in St. Ive's in Cornwall.

 
At 24 January 2018 at 07:40 , Blogger Anony Mouse said...

Anonymous is absolutely right.

Unfortunately he is a dangerous, total loser, and highly manipulative.

At best he's a waster of time, and a worst he damages lives - so, a word to the wise - avoid at all costs.

 
At 7 May 2018 at 11:58 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Angela is Right. He was in project ibis and many witnessed him there, as did I! He was brave and very very helpful towards other children in that group. Later he has been used in a breeding program. They’ve put a very strong negative being into his body. He lost the fight. But I will always remember him as the strongest child I’ve ever experienced. And yes, for survivors of satanic abuse, programming and horrific lifetime in the projects the ridicule is a repetition of the same horrors over and over

 
At 12 January 2019 at 14:20 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

James Casbolt is a complete loser. Many people in St. Ives knew him from his teenage years and he was a lowlife heroin addict that caused numerous problems for local residents and hence became well-known to the police there. One individual that James Casbolt became fascinated with was Stewart Swerdlow, who was the liar and disinformer that stated he was on the Montauk Project, which never even existed. Another load of rubbish was the totally fabricated Project IBIS, which was a joke made up by the wannabe waster James Casbolt because he if you look at the words, it actually means 'I Project B.S.' Casbolt thought that was a rather funny dirty little joke to play on the gullible believers. Then against James Casbolt, the former heroin addict and public toilet socialite believed the absolute lies that the charlatan, liar, fraud, deceiver and con artist Stewart Swerdlow made up about the Montauk Project. Everything Swerdlow has said can be proven to be lies and fantastical disinformation. Just look at what Duncan Roads, the Nexus Magazine editor has to say about con man Stewart Swerdlow.

After all, James Casbolt sat in his mum's two bedroom terrace house for up to 10 hours a day, whilst on benefits with Jobcentre Plus in St. Ives, trawling the Internet reading about conspiracy theories. He plagiarized his information from many valid researchers and his crap book was actually written by Barry King. Casbolt is also a coward who pretends he is Mr. Macho when inside he is nothing more than a frightened little boy pretending to be a man. All the idiots who have been hoodwinked by this former heroin addict that reinvented his loser lifestyle to pretend he was a supersoldier must now realize they were badly duped and deceived. What a huge amount of energy, time, effort and creativity has been given to James Casbolt, who despises others, suffers from deep jealousy and has zero abilities. Just ignore Casbolt the druggy.

 
At 18 January 2019 at 07:37 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 18 January 2019 at 08:43 , Blogger Anon said...

Anonymous

18 January 2019 at 07:37

James Casbolt is indeed mysterious. Nothing Casbolt has ever said is true. Project IBIS and Project Mannequin were also fabricated by him. Barry King was the silent one in the background who fed Casbolt much of his bogus information about Project IBIS and Project Mannequin that made Casbolt feel unique and important. I know people who knew James Casbolt when he lived in St. Ives, in Cornwall. Casbolt was always a story teller, a trouble maker and a fantasist. He would deal heroin in the public toilets in St. Ives, Penzance and Truro. He stole goods from many charity shops to feed his own heroin addiction as well.

His father never worked for MI6. That was another huge lie the wannabe Casbolt made up. You need to ask why Casbolt has always had such a big fascination with Stewart Swerdlow, who himself has been clearly proven to be a charlatan, a fake, and like you have mentioned, a plagiarizer and a con artist. Why would Cssbolt idolize Swerdlow? Think about that for a minute. Any person that looks to a disnformer like Stewart Swerdlow is a maniac. Go to the Cult Education Institute (CEI) and read the complaints about him from many of his ex-clients.

Casbolt is a New Age stage act pretending to be someone special. If he was a supersoldier then why has he used fake photos all of the time to embellish his backstory? Why did Casbolt deliberately join the military to take photos that could falsely legitimize his backstory? Because like Stewart Swerdlow, James Casbolt is a B.S. merchant and a great pretender. When Casbolt lived in Cornwall, he was known as a anti-social cowardly weirdo that pestered the locals.

It is truly amazing how men like him got on the conspiracy theory circuit and were interviewed many times by Miles Johnston from Devizes, Wiltshire about his fake history, fake backstory and the rehashed fake Project IBIS and Project Mannequin that he invented the names for. It is similar to when Swerdlow attended the Global Sciences Congress (GSC) in February 1999, in Daytona, Florida and waffled on about his completely fake backstory concerning the Montauk Project. Most never believed him them and even less people believe him now. Casbolt is even more pathetic, because he just makes up convoluted lies that make zero sense. Miles Johnston does not seem to care that Casbolt's stupidity and fantasy world has given him a bad reputation.

 
At 3 February 2019 at 08:27 , Blogger Anon said...

Anonymous 3 February 2019 at 05:12

Many local residents in St. Ives, Cornwall know all about the real James Casbolt. From the time when he was a small child Casbolt was obsessed with telling tall stories to impress his neighbours. Casbolt the wannabe, is now in prison writing his next installment of his fantasy world involving Ultraman apparently. Miles Johnston has the photos of Casbolt's scribbled notes which Casbolt sent to him. How much more of this hilarious circus has to go on before people wake up and realize Casbolt is 'a fraud'? Something else people should know is James Casbolt dabbled in the occult and witchcraft because he thought it would make him special. He especially liked the work of Aleister Crowley and O.T.O. Now it is well known amongst ex-clients of Stewart Swerdlow, that he also dabbles in witchcraft, especially Ceremonial Magic that was developed by Aleister Crowley.

So you can see the connections between Casbolt and Stewart Swerdlow. Is it not rather strange how Casbolt had been feuding with Max Spiers and yet Stewart Swerdlow was a close associate of Max Spiers? People need to start asking questions as to what the real relationship between James Casbolt, Stewart Swerdlow and Max Spiers actually was. Allegedly, Stewart Swerdlow has proven to be a complete scammer, disinformer and deceiver of the worst kind because of so many ex-clients coming forward and talking about him, like at the Cult Education Institute (CEI). So why did Casbolt think Swerdlow was so fascinating? The answer is because someone like him who allegedly has serious psychiatric and mental health problems hooked into the allegedly mentally unstable fantasy world of Stewart Swerdlow, who was never even on the Montauk Project, as has been thoroughly exposed over at the Bielek Debunked website. So James Casbolt is mysterious only because of the convoluted merging together of so many conspiracy theories from which Casbolt developed his fake backstory. The disinformation concerning the Montauk Project was central to that for him.

 

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