'The blame for Germany's economic destruction thus to be ascribed jointly to Ukraine and Poland.'
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'I think we're dealing with plausible deniability.'
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Seymour Hersh
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New details of the September 2022 Nordstream pipeline bombing - that caused tens of billions of losses and perhaps irreparabe damage to the Germany and European economies - are being set out in media, after a major German police and intelligence investigation
The claim is that the sabotage was carried out by a 6-person Ukrainian crew including expert divers, renting a 50-foot yacht, the Andromeda, using logistical support from Poland
The claim is that the CIA, learning of the plan from Dutch intelligence, tried to veto it. And that eventually Ukraine President Zelensky, who had at first approved the plan, at the end tried to stop it from being carried out; but the plan went ahead, it is reported, under then-commander-in-chief of Ukraine, General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, who is at present Ambassador of Ukraine to the United Kingdom in London.
'Ukraine's top general disobeyed Zelenskyy and blew up the Nord Stream pipeline without permission, report says'
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraines-top-general-disobeyed-zelenskyy-and-blew-up-the-nord-stream-pipeline-without-permission-report-says/ar-AA1oQuJU
Wall Street Journal article (paywall), here readable in archive version
https://archive.is/KodqX
Polish port personnel alerted police there was something suspicious about the boat, but authorities let the boat sail on. Explosives residue was reported found on the boat afterwards.
Recently, Germany issued an arrest warrant for a Ukrainian in Poland said to be involved, but it was not acted upon, and the person seems to have escaped back in Ukraine with the rest of the boat crew.
Polish media adds the further report that the former chief of German intelligence, accuses Poland's President Duda of pushing for the bombing to go ahead, impeding Zelensky from vetoing the plan in a timely and effective manner. And so the blame for Germany's economic destruction thus to be ascribed jointly to Ukraine and Poland.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraines-top-general-disobeyed-zelenskyy-and-blew-up-the-nord-stream-pipeline-without-permission-report-says/ar-AA1oQuJU
Polish media link re Nordstream
https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/zniszczenie-nord-stream-zaskakujace-slowa-z-niemiec-o-roli-andrzeja-dudy/z1qk82y
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At 16 August 2024 at 01:42 ,
Anonymous 2 said...
"The claim is that the sabotage was carried out by a 6-person Ukrainian crew including expert divers, renting a 50-foot yacht, the Andromeda, using logistical support from Poland
The claim is that the CIA, learning of the plan from Dutch intelligence, tried to veto it. And that eventually Ukraine President Zelensky, who had at first approved the plan, at the end tried to stop it from being carried out"
I think we're dealing with plausible deniability.
At 16 August 2024 at 01:42 ,
Anonymous 2 said..."The claim is that the sabotage was carried out by a 6-person Ukrainian crew including expert divers, renting a 50-foot yacht, the Andromeda, using logistical support from Poland
The claim is that the CIA, learning of the plan from Dutch intelligence, tried to veto it. And that eventually Ukraine President Zelensky, who had at first approved the plan, at the end tried to stop it from being carried out"
I think we're dealing with plausible deniability.
Whilst it could be an autonomous action, I don't believe there is sufficient merit in 'going it alone'.
State intervention or an intervention by a higher interest would better explain Nordstream.
State intervention or an intervention by a higher interest would better explain Nordstream.
Some guy and his 5 mates hiring a boat at great personal expense with a highly specialised team of sat-divers with military capability and a motif makes zero sense.
Let's blame Poland for offering support and acknowledge that Zelensky tried his best to avert disaster (but failed) is simply too much to believe.
Thinking back .......Biden with his speech at the time and the implied threat resonated closer to the truth. The fact remains it was at best state sponsored terrorism or at worst the shadowy figures that are supranational whom were pulling the strings.
Sorry, a few guys in a boat for no apparent reason makes no sense. Good story though. Perhaps someone can thank Lee Childs for his imaginative approach.
Let's blame Poland for offering support and acknowledge that Zelensky tried his best to avert disaster (but failed) is simply too much to believe.
Thinking back .......Biden with his speech at the time and the implied threat resonated closer to the truth. The fact remains it was at best state sponsored terrorism or at worst the shadowy figures that are supranational whom were pulling the strings.
Sorry, a few guys in a boat for no apparent reason makes no sense. Good story though. Perhaps someone can thank Lee Childs for his imaginative approach.
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General and now Ukraine Ambassador to UK Zaluzhny being blamed ... Zelensky's main political rival, more popular than Zelensky, however Ukraine elections have been cancelled.
Poland's President Duda being blamed ... Duda the political opponent of pro-EU Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, the Polish presidential election upcoming in early 2025
This latest Nordstream bombing story from the Wall Street Journal, is quite different from the Seymour Hersh story of the 'Biden CIA aided by Norwegian divers', which earned Hersh some $100,000 plus in Substack subscribers, Hersh's 'sources' anonymous & unknown
"The claim is that the sabotage was carried out by a 6-person Ukrainian crew including expert divers, renting a 50-foot yacht, the Andromeda, using logistical support from Poland
ReplyDeleteThe claim is that the CIA, learning of the plan from Dutch intelligence, tried to veto it. And that eventually Ukraine President Zelensky, who had at first approved the plan, at the end tried to stop it from being carried out"
I think we're dealing with plausible deniability. Whilst it could be an autonomous action, I don't believe there is sufficient merit in 'going it alone'.
State intervention or an intervention by a higher interest would better explain Nordstream. Some guy and his 5 mates hiring a boat at great personal expense with a highly specialised team of sat-divers with military capability and a motif makes zero sense.
Let's blame Poland for offering support and acknowledge that Zelensky tried his best to avert disaster (but failed) is simply too much to believe.
Thinking back .......Biden with his speech at the time and the implied threat resonated closer to the truth. The fact remains it was at best state sponsored terrorism or at worst the shadowy figures that are supranational whom were pulling the strings.
Sorry, a few guys in a boat for no apparent reason makes no sense. Good story though. Perhaps someone can thank Lee Childs for his imaginative approach.
General and now Ukraine Ambassador to UK Zaluzhny being blamed ... Zelensky's main political rival, more popular than Zelensky, however Ukraine elections have been cancelled
ReplyDeletePoland's President Duda being blamed ... Duda the political opponent of pro-EU Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, the Polish presidential election upcoming in early 2025
This latest Nordstream bombing story from the Wall Street Journal, is quite different from the Seymour Hersh story of the 'Biden CIA aided by Norwegian divers', which earned Hersh some $100,000 plus in Substack subscribers, Hersh's 'sources' anonymous & unknown
Yeah....whilst.
ReplyDeleteZelensky is reaping the whirlwind for being too stupid to (((verb))) "mastermind" the plan or the cover-up.
"Drop down from a dinghy".
Down 300 or 400 feet.
Good luck with that, but this discussion has been had since the moment someone blew up Nordstream2.
Invoking the idiot spawn of the idiot henchman Zelensky as the perpetrators is just so much propaganda and manipulation of the masses.
On a global basis, are very high temperatures REALLY more deadly than very low ones (as the Net Zero aligned media invariably imply?)
ReplyDeleteOr is the opposite true — That worldwide, the greatest ‘climate danger’ facing humans is being too COLD?
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Heat inequality ‘causing thousands of unreported deaths in poor countries’
“Heat inequality is causing thousands of unreported deaths in poor countries and communities across the world, a leading analyst of climate impacts has warned, following global temperature records that may not have been seen in 120,000 years …
“‘“Heatwaves are the deadliest type of extreme weather …’ [said Friederike Otto, a senior lecturer in climate science at the Grantham Institute of Imperial College London] …
“‘Extreme heat is increasingly tearing through economies … and killing people …’ [said António Guterres, the UN secretary general] …”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/aug/16/heat-inequality-causing-thousands-of-unreported-deaths-in-poor-countries
The Lancet, 2021:
“In most places, the temperature is more often too cold than too hot, which helps explain why more than 90 percent of temperature-related deaths [are] from cold, according to [a study published in the Lancet in 2021].
“On every continent, cold deaths surpassed heat deaths …”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext
The Lancet, 2015:
“Our findings show that temperature is responsible for advancing a substantial fraction of deaths, corresponding to 7·71% of mortality in the selected countries within the study period.
“Most of this mortality burden was caused by days colder than the optimum temperature (7·29%), compared with days warmer than the optimum temperature (0·42%) …
“Cold was responsible for a higher proportion of deaths than was heat …”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)62114-0/fulltext
The people with motive to do this are precisely those who would benefit from Russian gas not reaching Europe in such great amounts, those no longer to receive transit payments. So Ukraine has motive, as their pipeline agreement is about to run out and Russia would simply have switched it off to use NSII. Israel would benefit as they have lots of lovely gas to export to Europe. The USA is selling ridiculously expensive LNG, destroying European industry. Those are the three prime suspects. Poland will have joined in, as their reward was a pipeline from Norway.
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