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A great Climate Hoax video. Real scientists blow a hole through the climate trash alarmists and their fake science.
Too many scuba divers with political narratives spreading their hoax science and fake facts.
It turns out that through ice core sampling that the earth was 1.5c warmer thousands of years ago ago.
A great Climate Hoax video. Real scientists blow a hole through the climate trash alarmists and their fake science.
Too many scuba divers with political narratives spreading their hoax science and fake facts.
It turns out that through ice core sampling that the earth was 1.5c warmer thousands of years ago ago.
Clownworld clearly won't allow real science to crash the party.
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Emotive language in above post indicates inductive logic (propaganda) vs deductive logic & wholistic climate science.
Ice core samples in Greenland do not take into account the chemical and structural signatures of rocks, fossils, and crystals, ocean sediments, fossilized reefs, tree rings, and ice cores. - from all of these, scientists can infer past temperatures.
The best evidence is "cap carbonates" lying directly over Neoproterozoic-age glacial deposits.
Cap carbonates - layers of calcium-rich rock such as limestone - only form in warm water.
Re: WARM OCEAN WATER: 26 May 2023 Australia's CSIRO brief: Antarctic ocean currents have slowed 30%.
Antarctic deep ocean currents uprising brings nutrients up to feed large numbers of cetaceans, cephalopods, seals, birds, & fish.
Phytoplankton & krill provide feed hence fishing grounds to the Brazil-Malvinas.
Deep ocean currents circulation act like an air conditioner flattening out temperature peaks & troughs.
The circumpolar current merges the waters of the Atlantic, Indian, & Pacific Oceans & carries up to 150 times the volume of water flowing in all of the world's rivers.
The study found that any damage on the cold-water corals nourished by the current will have a long-lasting effect.
After studying the circumpolar current it is clear that it strongly influences regional & global climate as well as underwater biodiversity.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/05/antarctic-ocean-currents-have-slowed-since-1990s-sparking-fears-of-collapse.html
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The real world in 2023 (not 5,000 years ago) James Hansen (Former NASA scientist)
"Equilibrium warming is a useful concept employed for more than a century, e.g., in the studies by Arrhenius in the 1890s and Charney in the 1970s. Equilibrium response is the global temperature change after the climate system restores energy balance following imposition of a climate forcing.
"One merit of our analysis of Cenozoic (past 66 million years) climate is that it reveals that the present human-made GHG (greenhouse gas) forcing is already greater than the GHG forcing at the transition from a nearly unglaciated Antarctica to a glaciated continent.
"Yes, if we leave atmospheric composition as it is today, sea level will eventually rise about 60 m (200 feet). Of course, none of us would be there to see it. However, it’s not the new equilibrium at +200 feet that’s of most concern, it’s the chaos that ensues once ice sheet collapse begins in earnest.
That chaos was the topic of our paper[1] “Ice Melt, Sea Level Rise and Superstorms,” which was blackballed by IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change).
That chaos was the topic of our paper[1] “Ice Melt, Sea Level Rise and Superstorms,” which was blackballed by IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change).
In that paper, we conclude that continuation of GHG emissions along the path that the world is on will lead to shutdown of the overturning (North Atlantic and Southern Ocean) circulations this century and sea level rise of several meters on a time scale of 50-150 years. As yet, little has changed to get us off that path.
You would not know that from the communications of the United Nations COPs (Conferences of the Parties) and their scientific advisory body, the IPCC. Projected global warmings continually rachet down as countries agree to more ambitious goals for future emission reductions. If you take those plans plus $2.75 you can get a ride on New York City’s subway (which, BTW, is safe and efficient, albeit ancient – New York City is again a good place to visit).
Physics is a description of the real world. So, climate science should be focused on data. That’s the way science is supposed to work. However, IPCC is focused on models. Not just global climate models (GCMs), but models that feed the models, e.g., Integrated Assessment Models (IAMs) that provide scenarios for future GHG levels.
Physics is a description of the real world. So, climate science should be focused on data. That’s the way science is supposed to work. However, IPCC is focused on models. Not just global climate models (GCMs), but models that feed the models, e.g., Integrated Assessment Models (IAMs) that provide scenarios for future GHG levels.
These models are useful and even necessary for analysis of the complex climate system, but sometimes the models contain hocus-pocus. As we mention in our current paper, they can assume, in effect, that “a miracle will occur.” So, the models need to be continually checked against the real world.
Our research is focused on real world data and comparison with models, with the hope of gaining insights about how the climate system works and where the real world is headed." etc
Our research is focused on real world data and comparison with models, with the hope of gaining insights about how the climate system works and where the real world is headed." etc
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Fact Check
'Best Climate Change Vid. Ever' Quote:
A misleading graph purporting to show that past changes in Greenland’s temperatures dwarf modern climate change has been circling the internet since at least 2010.
Based on an early Greenland ice core record produced back in 1997, versions of the graph have, variously, mislabeled the x-axis, excluded the modern observational temperature record and conflated a single location in Greenland with the whole world.
This modern temperature reconstruction, combined with observational records over the past century, shows that current temperatures in Greenland are warmer than any period in the past 2,000 years.
That said, they are likely still cooler than during the early part of the current geological epoch – the Holocene – which started around 11,000 years ago.
However, warming is expected to continue in the future as human actions continue to emit greenhouse gases, primarily from the combustion of fossil fuels.
Climate models project that if emissions continue, by 2050, Greenland temperatures will exceed anything seen since the last interglacial period, around 125,000 years ago.
Ice cores as climate ‘proxies’
Climate models project that if emissions continue, by 2050, Greenland temperatures will exceed anything seen since the last interglacial period, around 125,000 years ago.
Ice cores as climate ‘proxies’
Widespread thermometer measurements of temperatures only extend back to the mid-1700s.
Scientists investigating how temperatures have changed prior to the invention of thermometers need to rely on a variety of climate “proxies”, which are correlated with temperature and can be used to infer, with some uncertainties, how it has changed in the past." etc
link -
https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change/
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Emotive language in above post indicates inductive logic (propaganda) vs deductive logic & wholistic climate science. Ice core samples in Greenland do not take into accont the chemical and structural signatures of rocks, fossils, and crystals, ocean sediments, fossilized reefs, tree rings, and ice cores—from all of these, scientists can infer past temperatures. The best evidence is "cap carbonates" lying directly over Neoproterozoic-age glacial deposits. Cap carbonates—layers of calcium-rich rock such as limestone—only form in warm water. Re: WARM OCEAN WATER: 26 May 2023 Australia's CSIRO brief: Antarctic ocean currents have slowed 30%. Antarctic deep ocean currents uprising brings nutrients up to feed large numbers of cetaceans, cephalopods, seals, birds, & fish. Phytoplankton & krill provide feed hence fishing grounds to the Brazil-Malvinas. Deep ocean currents circulation act like an air conditioner flattenin out temperature peaks & troughs. The circumpolar current merges the waters of the Atlantic, Indian, & Pacific Oceans & carries up to 150 times the volume of water flowing in all of the world's rivers. The study found that any damage on the cold-water corals nourished by the current will have a long-lasting effect. After studying the circumpolar current it is clear that it strongly influences regional & global climate as well as underwater biodiversity. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/05/antarctic-ocean-currents-have-slowed-since-1990s-sparking-fears-of-collapse.html
ReplyDeleteThe real world in 2023 (not 5,000 years ago) James Hansen (Former NASA scientist) "Equilibrium warming is a useful concept employed for more than a century, e.g., in the studies by Arrhenius in the 1890s and Charney in the 1970s. Equilibrium response is the global temperature change after the climate system restores energy balance following imposition of a climate forcing. One merit of our analysis of Cenozoic (past 66 million years) climate is that it reveals that the present human-made GHG (greenhouse gas) forcing is already greater than the GHG forcing at the transition from a nearly unglaciated Antarctica to a glaciated continent. Yes, if we leave atmospheric composition as it is today, sea level will eventually rise about 60 m (200 feet). Of course, none of us would be there to see it. However, it’s not the new equilibrium at +200 feet that’s of most concern, it’s the chaos that ensues once ice sheet collapse begins in earnest.
ReplyDeleteThat chaos was the topic of our paper[1] “Ice Melt, Sea Level Rise and Superstorms,” which was blackballed by IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change). In that paper, we conclude that continuation of GHG emissions along the path that the world is on will lead to shutdown of the overturning (North Atlantic and Southern Ocean) circulations this century and sea level rise of several meters on a time scale of 50-150 years. As yet, little has changed to get us off that path. You would not know that from the communications of the United Nations COPs (Conferences of the Parties) and their scientific advisory body, the IPCC. Projected global warmings continually rachet down as countries agree to more ambitious goals for future emission reductions. If you take those plans plus $2.75 you can get a ride on New York City’s subway (which, BTW, is safe and efficient, albeit ancient – New York City is again a good place to visit).
Physics is a description of the real world. So, climate science should be focused on data. That’s the way science is supposed to work. However, IPCC is focused on models. Not just global climate models (GCMs), but models that feed the models, e.g., Integrated Assessment Models (IAMs) that provide scenarios for future GHG levels. These models are useful and even necessary for analysis of the complex climate system, but sometimes the models contain hocus-pocus. As we mention in our current paper, they can assume, in effect, that “a miracle will occur.” So, the models need to be continually checked against the real world.
Our research is focused on real world data and comparison with models, with the hope of gaining insights about how the climate system works and where the real world is headed." etc
Fact Check 'Best Climate Change Vid. Ever' Quote:
ReplyDeleteA misleading graph purporting to show that past changes in Greenland’s temperatures dwarf modern climate change has been circling the internet since at least 2010. Based on an early Greenland ice core record produced back in 1997, versions of the graph have, variously, mislabeled the x-axis, excluded the modern observational temperature record and conflated a single location in Greenland with the whole world. This modern temperature reconstruction, combined with observational records over the past century, shows that current temperatures in Greenland are warmer than any period in the past 2,000 years. That said, they are likely still cooler than during the early part of the current geological epoch – the Holocene – which started around 11,000 years ago. However, warming is expected to continue in the future as human actions continue to emit greenhouse gases, primarily from the combustion of fossil fuels.
Climate models project that if emissions continue, by 2050, Greenland temperatures will exceed anything seen since the last interglacial period, around 125,000 years ago.
Ice cores as climate ‘proxies’
Widespread thermometer measurements of temperatures only extend back to the mid-1700s. Scientists investigating how temperatures have changed prior to the invention of thermometers need to rely on a variety of climate “proxies”, which are correlated with temperature and can be used to infer, with some uncertainties, how it has changed in the past." etc link - https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change/
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA333462
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