Friday, 25 September 2015

PROBLEMS WITH RELIGIONS


Abraham Vereide (left)

The evangelical group known as 'The Family', aka The Fellowship, was founded by Abraham Vereide, a Norwegian evangelist based in Seattle in the USA.

In 1935, Vereide said that God had appeared to him in a vision and revealed that Christianity had gone wrong because of its preoccupation with the poor, the weak and the suffering.

The Family, whose members include top US senators and congressmen, 'promotes Fascism and Zionism'.

Abraham Vereide began the Prayer Breakfast Movement.

Worse Than Fascists. / Rise of WORLDWIDE CHRISTIAN MAFIA / The Fellowship

(Many thanks to Brabantian for alerting us to Vereide)

We assume that Vereide, like Billy Graham, was recruited by the CIA.



Dr. T. P. Wilkinson writes that religious fanaticism is essentially a European and Anglo-American tradition.

Religious Fanaticism is a Western Tradition.

The Western Imperialists have promoted extremist forms of Islam and Christianity.

"The British and US oil cartel installed the house of Saud to rule the populations wandering about the massive oil fields."

Religious Fanaticism is a Western Tradition.

"The US oil dynasties, e.g. Rockefeller, Pew, Mellon, have spent billions funding reactionary Protestant missionaries throughout the world whose job it has been to depopulate areas for Christ  so as to seize land and mineral rights...

"Various Pentacostalists were notorious supporters of military dictatorships in Brazil, Chile, Guatemala, and elsewhere - not only preaching but collaborating with the secret police..."

Religious Fanaticism is a Western Tradition.



God is not a fundamentalist.

The Greek philosopher Epicurus argued:

If an all powerful (omnipotent), all knowing (omniscient), and all loving (omnibenevolent) god exists, then evil does not exist.

But, there is evil in the world.

Therefore, an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God does not exist.

Perhaps God can be seen as being a 'holy spirit' that is not omnipotent.

The eastern religions have their own way of looking at the problem.

The Taoist concept of yin-yang suggests that 'good' cannot exist without 'evil'.

Hinduism and Buddhism (and Christian Science) suggest that by applying mind over matter, suffering can disappear.

13 comments:

  1. The Syrian war appears to be coming to an end. The dream of regime change in Syria is dead. The dream of world domination by the Neocons is dead. The multipolar world is the new reality.
    http://journal-neo.org/2015/09/22/washington-has-now-lost-the-middle-east/
    http://crimesofempire.com/2015/09/25/russian-military-operations-in-syria-
    confirmed/
    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Sep-25/316564-russian-visitors-receive-warm-welcome-in-coastal-syria.ashx

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  2. Thank you, Aangirfan, for the courteous mentions

    Quite true UK oligarchs installed extremist Wahhabi Saudis into power, early allies of Zionists, e.g., 3 Jan 1919 'Agreement for Arab-Jewish cooperation' Faisal of Saudi Mecca & Chaim Weizmann of Zion, some even say Saud family & Wahhabi founders Jewish, like President Al-Sisi of Egypt is Jewish with a Moroccan Jewish mother
    ... US-UK have fully encouraged funding of Saudi Wahhabi extremist Muslim schools throughout the world, & Israel of course & Christian extremists of USA

    Complex set of issues re the oligarch cabal & the 3 Desert Bloc Abrahamic religions of Judaism Islam & Christianity ... oligarchs use how all 3 are inherently flawed in core aspects, oligarchs push all 3 in extremist forms ... yet to a degree oligarchs fear any religious faith because within religion is an inextinguishable spirt of resistance

    Dr Ashraf Ezzat of Egypt notes the 3 Abrahamic religions were all created in a small neighbourhood of the MidEast, he says by similar desert people who were belligerent, extremist & of low culture, & who now unfortunately poison the world with their brutal ideas, peppered throughout 'holy books' of Talmud Bible & Qur'an, horrors mixed in with a few nice items here & there, especially from half-Buddhist Jew Jesus who did not fully escape rabbi-world

    3 religions of extremism, slavery, conquest, terrorising eternal hell or extermination, rape, misogyny, destruction of local cultures & artifacts, ethnic cleansing, 'My god only or die!', bodily mutilations, so-called 'God-ordered' genocide of women, children, animals & entire nations, all clear in brutal Bible texts; Hebrew Bible is much bloodier & more barbaric than Muslim Qur'an (Koran), which merely echoes various elements of original Jewish Abrahamic tradition

    A maybe key issue is brutal physical mutilation of babies' genitalia (circumcision) & consequent mental trauma, a horror which Germany recently bravely & briefly tried to outlaw. The 3 cultures that practice circumcision - 3 cultures of males humiliatingly mutilated for life - Jews, Muslims, & Yank Americans (under sway of Jewish doctors) - these are the 3 cultures creating most of the problems in the world ... It is quite likely that having your genitals mutilated for life as a baby boy, leaves significant subconscious trauma scars in mind, making you want to conquer, control & manipulate others & make them submit to your ways & perversely justify the horrific tribal religion that mutilated you

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  3. Aangirfan I appreciate your expression of Asian spiritual themes from Hinduism - Daoism - Buddhism

    Ancient Asian wisdom:
    - Any religion claiming that some people go to an eternal no-exit hell, cannot be a true religion
    - Any religion claiming to be the 'only one true way', cannot be a true religion
    - Any religion imposing, or even positively speaking of required mutilation of babies or people (circumcision!), cannot be a true religion
    - Any religion seeking to spread itself by conquest or physical or psychological terror & fear-mongering, cannot be a true religion
    - Any religion not respecting animals as fellow spiritual creatures, or not respecting harmony with nature, cannot be a true religion
    - Any religion not offering you help to full liberation of mind & soul in your deepest psychology, cannot be a true religion
    And also:
    There are multiple ways to the divine, which you can freely choose among ... there is always always a way back toward God, you always get another chance (even if in next lifetime) ... there need never be any fear or terror that you are hopelessly 'lost', or doomed forever for some 'error' of not joining or believing something ... nothing good is ever 'lost'

    Old Asian cultures had Enlightenment long ago, they were not slave-conquest cultures like Greece Rome & Jewish-Christian-Muslim societies. There was essentially no slavery in ancient India, which had democracy long before Greece. Ancient India had modern tolerant sexuality (Kama Sutra, Temple of Khajuraho) ... University at Nalanda India lasted 1,700 years before Muslims destroyed it... (Ancient India was great, but India suffered over 1000 years of Muslim & Christian occupation still hurting it today - e.g, ancient 'caste' was gentler, there was intermarriage, caste mobility, no scorned 'untouchables')

    Cyrus of Persia 2500 years ago decreed freedom of religion & efforts to end slavery in mid-East... Hindu Buddhist Daoist countries began ending the death penalty 2000 years ago ... at various times much of India, ancient China, ancient Japan abolished it

    The most beloved ancient spiritual text of India, the Bhagavad-Gita - very short, can be read in a few hours - is amazingly free of the barbaric, killing & mutilating passages that are in the Talmud Bible or Qur'an ... even though it is the story of a warrior (Taoist Dao De Ching compares favourably to Talmud Bible Koran too)

    In the Bhagavad-Gita, a warrior Arjuna is going into battle, but has doubts about war & killing, even tho the war is just. But it turns out God is his chariot driver, in the form of Krishna. To anwer his questions, God stops time itself, the battle is put on hold, & God explains to the warrior what life is all about, very beautiful. Here is the a crisp 10 minute Bhagavad-Gita in nice film:
    Bhagavad-Gita on film 10 minutes

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  4. Muddy waters. Stirred up by an understandable qualm that seems to throw God-is-good into clear contradiction: an observable lack of cohesion or logic in the belief that God is receptive to humanity and... good? To refrain from expanding but repeating the signpost (for an explanation that pursues a Biblical and philological inquiry) please consider; ‘open - or free-will - theism’.

    As for the dubious roots and shoots of evangelical para-church initiatives linked to the ruling baddest few? It’s difficult (and only God ‘knows’), what’s finally going on inside. At best the sincere but misguided both in theology and practice, through to the conscious compromise-rs, on to those full-on furthering the enemies plans. From my - Jesus believing - perspective, the social-political moves by the ‘Family’ and those drawn in (for a period of time and now distancing themselves), should be judged by what they’ve produced and continue to participate in... or not.

    Wayne Madsen is a searing analyst who sat with Prez’s and now blows the truther trump. He writes on Abraham V and co; ‘a destructive religious movement has now achieved almost total control over the machinery of government of the United States...’. I question ‘total’ control, as though these are the final hands behind... But there be, another elite circle, another in the concentric web of destruction.

    Evangelicalism - pronounced and cheer-led by the US - has been a raggedy ol’coach that easily hitches up the hucksters and... the International or Fellowship Foundation and their liberal-sounding Jesus' Model. They’re certainly not an obliviously recognisable, or claim to be, evangelical fellowship.

    What I find grace-fully interesting, is how Norman Grubb could meet and pen ‘Rees Howells - the Intercessor’ and yet dip and dive among such dodgy ones? (Norm wrote Abe’s bio). Oh I despair... but only for a bit. Prayer - forget breakfast - is untainted by establishment manipulations, because it’s most-meant to be, private. Here’s the hidden power. Here’s the upsetter for a hope and future. On earth...

    Wayne and Jeff Sharlet are documenting troubles and I knew some of it, suspected most of it and - sadly - surprised by little. It got a little too all connecting and implicating in parts and I would quantify some of the definitions. Nevertheless, a necessary post, thanks.

    Mark

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    1. I note that ‘philological’ is a typo. Taught me a new word (not one I’ll use - too remote). I intended to use ‘psychology’.

      Re: who/when slags Jesus and followers? (See below). With respect to the person concerned that we are ‘undermined’ by those who should recognise a bit more; the enemies, enemy is our... I suppose this may cause pause for some but there is a line that says the Bible and believers are not, nor have ever significantly been - counter-evil (a deluded exception or two aside). Apart from it not being ‘true’ at the core or otherwise, many... actually most, would contend the damage is much worse than the polite are prepared to push.

      “Come together” wise ones understand that co-fighting can come out of believers in said phenomenon, myth (without facts), weirdy/beardy sky-dream ‘n on ‘n on... and without a smidgen of evangelical-based faith, attempt to discern and document. The writer/broadcaster’s personal perspective unavoidably seeps through into the commentary, unless they’re sufficiently agnostic or comfortable with confronting differences and/or - thus far - contradictory ideas.

      Having said this and without overstating the following point: we (ch. peep), surely do better with the more open and questioning, than the anti-Christ, line (often coupled with anti-G/god line). Yet, should we not recognise that our greatest opportunity is with our non-violent, written or otherwise, strongest detractors. We don’t need - although it’s always worth a quick re-read - A. Pike’s (disputed) proclamation to “de-str-oy” to help the cause. The tone, power and conviction of all our thoughts and words speaks to the truth or otherwise. Sometimes anti-G comments etc and pro-G-ers sound oh so similar.

      ‘Christianity has been undermined’ but thank God, here’s Aangir-forum, a rare-un, that intelligently - and hopefully, exposes and suggests forward moves.

      Mark

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    2. Ah... typo of a typo, my apologies.'Philosophical' not 'psychology' ...inquiry, or is that enq....? Or, howzabout Aangirology? Nuff now, Mark.

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  5. "Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."
    —Thomas Paine, Age of Reason

    The book of Genesis begins with two different and contradictory creation myths which were derived from Babylonian myths which were derived from Sumerian myths. Read The Pre-biblical Protagonists Behind Genesis' Eve: Shamhat and Inanna (Ishtar) of the Epic of Gilgamesh:

    In a Nutshell Summary:

    I understand Eden's Eve is a fictional character, a fusion of at least six different characters appearing in earlier Mesopotamian myths: (1) Shamhat/Ukhat of the Epic of Gilgamesh; (2) Inanna/Ishtar of the Dumuzi Myths; (3) Nin-Ti of Dilmun; (4) Gishzida, (5) Dumuzi, and (6) Adapa of the Adapa and the Southwind Myth. The focus here is Shamhat and Inanna.

    http://www.bibleorigins.net/EveasShamhatoftheEpicofGilgamesh.html

    There was no walking talking Yahweh, no Adam, no Eve, no talking snake, no magical fruit trees, no fall of man, and therefore no need for Jesus to die for the remission of sins. Romans 5:12 (Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned) is false.

    There are hundreds of contradictions in the Bible, as well as bogus prophecies, absurdities, and historical and scientific inaccuracies. The Bible is not the word of god, it is an anthology of falsehoods written to enrich and empower priests and rulers.

    Judaism, Christianity and Islam are built on faulty premises.

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  6. Are you not yourself doing the work of Luciferian freemasons with the non-evidenced inuendo you write about. Undermining Christianity has been part of the Enlightenment and NWO from David Hume through Erasmus Darwin, Albert Pike to the present day. Consider that their hill fire drinking dens were places of abuse and vice.

    Albert Pike and Three World Wars

    "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

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    1. Albert Pike’s 3 World Wars Letter Hoax

      If you are a frequent consumer of alternative media and history you’ve no doubt at some point came across the infamous 3 World Wars letter allegedly sent by Confederate military officer Albert Pike to Italian Freemason and revolutionary Giuseppe Mazzini. This alleged letter is quoted ad-nauseam on websites, in forums, by conspiracy researchers like David Icke, in books aiming to expose Freemasonry, and by those with an interest in geopolitics and conspiracy theories. It is commonly used as evidence to support the idea that major wars are simply a tool of a secret elite society called the Illuminati, who are out to destroy Christianity and usher in a Satanic New World Order. Not all proponents of the letter’s authenticity are Christian or adherents of the Satanic New World Order theory, but the common thread that unifies them is the notion that wars and events on the geopolitical chessboard are long planned out agendas, and not spontaneous. This article is not here to debunk that notion, in fact there is ample evidence to support the contrived and deceitful nature of warfare, but in the quest for truth every piece of evidence should be held up to scrutiny.

      Continues:

      http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3-world-wars-letter-hoax-wideshut-webcast/

      Albert Pike to Mazzini, August 15, 1871: Three World Wars?

      Or, how Michael Haupt said, that William Guy Carr said, that Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile said, that The Cause of World Unrest said, that the confessed hoaxer Gabriel Jogand-Pagès aka Dr. Bataille aka Leo Taxil said about Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini in Le diable au XIXe siècle, v. II, 1892-1894, p. 605 (but actually pp. 594-606). Got it?

      Continues:

      http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

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    2. One of many masonic disinfo articles. Masons try by typing wrongly MAZINI or GIUSSEPE or whatever else. But, Frater, nothing beats some real mason giving out good ol'info in French: "Peu importe la diversité de rites ou de formes, puisque la pensée est unique." AKA SATANISM.
      http://www.barruel.com/info2.html

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  7. We are not undermining Christianity. We believe that Christianity has been undermined by 1. people who wanted to tie Christianity in with Jewish myths 2. people who wanted to tie Christianity in with Imperialism.

    Christianity's worst enemies include the Zionist Christians and the mind-controlled fundamentalists.

    - Aangirfan

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    1. '' World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis) will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically. ''
      http://jahtruth.net/illumin.htm

      " Around 1910; one Israel Zangwill wrote a play entitled The Melting-Pot. "
      Same Source as Above. It's Myron Fagan Speech: A Must read.

      Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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  8. Critically Christianity must be partially deconstructed and challenged to get back to the root of what it means to be 'religious' or 'spiritual' due to the undermining mentioned above. Understanding 'Jesus' in it's purest form, regardless if he was an actual entity at that time or an amalgam of other old world heroes that fought an honest campaign against oppression and inequality, the concept remains true and sincerely frightens the establishment. In that way Jesus truly is the only way. Learning the truth about who Jesus was or all of the other hyperbole like angels on the head of a pin should in no way take away from the strength Jesus message contained in understanding your position under the stars as a natural law sovereign.

    Akhaldansolo

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