Monday, 29 December 2014



It is possible that Muhammad lived from c. 570 - 632 AD, and that his religion was one of peace and tolerance.

It is possible that Islam was relatively obscure until it was hijacked by Abd al Malik ibn Marwan, the Arab Emperor from 685 - 705AD.

Abd al Malik ibn Marwan may have turned Islam into the official religion of his warlike empire.

It could be argued that Christianity was a religion of peace and tolerance until it got hijacked by the Roman Empire.

Did the growing Arab Empire decide to adopt and alter Islam?

The official story is that Muhammad died in 632 AD.

In 661 AD, Muawiyah I became the leader of the Arab Empire.

No mention of Muhammad or Islam can be found in any of Muawiyah's inscriptions, coins, or documents.

Islam: The Untold Story.

"There is no mention of Muhammad anywhere in stones, script, monuments, or other sources from the Middle East during his actual lifetime."

Was Caliph Abd Al-Malik the real creator and the prophet?

Apart from 'a single ambiguous reference in the Koran', there is no mention of Mecca in any datable text for a century after 'Muhammed's death'.

Islam: The Untold Story.

In the Koran, 'Muhammad' addresses farmers and agriculturalists while his opponents are described as keeping cattle and growing olives and vines.

The home environment described by 'Muhammad' as having farmers and agriculturalists could be in the Negev desert in Southern Israel.

There was no agriculture in Mecca.

Islam: The Untold Story.

Under the reign of the Arab Emperor Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan, Mecca may have been erroneously portrayed as Muhammad's home, in order to provide Islam with Arabian origins.

Abd al Malik ibn Marwan, the Arab Emperor from 685 - 705AD, may have been the inventor of the warlike form of Islam.

Was Caliph Abd Al-Malik the real creator and the prophet?

In 2012, the historian Tom Holland produced a TV documentary for the UK's Channel 4 which said:

1. There is little evidence to support the 'official' story of Muhammad.

2. There are questions about when the Koran was written.

3. Mecca may not have been the birthplace of Muhammad.

Holland asked why it took several decades after the death of Muhammad for his name to appear on surviving documents or artifacts.

Holland claimed that much of the story of Muhammad was developed some time after the death of Muhammad.

Islam - The Untold Story - on Vimeo.

The Search for Muhammad: Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan.

Empires in 600 AD.

The map above shows various empires in the year 600 AD.

Boundaries continually shifted.

For example, in 613, there was a 'Jewish revolt' against the Byzantine Empire.

In 614, Persian and Jewish forces temporarily captured Jerusalem. 

23 years later, the Arabs conquered Syria and Jerusalem.

According to "A Response to Channel 4′s 'Islam: The Untold Story' ":

1. Early Christian chronicles in the seventh century elaborate on the origins of Islam, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), and some of the laws practised by the early Muslims. 

In the documentary Holland admits the existence of these Christian narratives, but seems to dismiss their validity without justification. 

Below are some examples of these chronicles:

Doctrina Jacobi written in 635 CE

A document called Doctrina Jacobi written only two years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) clearly mentions that a prophet had appeared amongst the Arabs:

"I, Abraham, went off to Sykamina and referred the matter to an old man very well-versed in the Scriptures. I asked him: 'What is your view, master and teacher, of the prophet who has appeared among the Saracens'.

The questions is: who was this prophet among Arabs?


1. Doctrina Jacobi was apparently written sometime between 634 and 640.[1][2]

2. It makes no mention of 'Muhammad' or of Islam.

Sira - biographies of Muhammad.

2. A record of the Arab conquest of Syria written in 637 CE, just 5 years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), clearly mentions him by name. 

"…and in January, they took the word for their lives did the sons of Emesa, and many villages were ruined with killing by the Arabs of Mụhammad and a great number of people were killed and captives were taken from Galilee as far as Bēth."


1. The text above is a much faded note added to a manuscript.

This note appears to have been written soon after the battle of Gabitha (636 CE).

The actual date is not known.

The fragmentary nature of this note has resulted in scholars advising caution.

Dated Texts.

2. Even in the 7th Century AD Muhammad was a very common name.

3. Sebeos, Bishop of the Bagratunis (Writing c.660 AD)

An early seventh century account of Islam comes from Sebeos who was a bishop of the House of Bagratunis. From this chronicle, there are indications that he lived through many of the events he relates. As for Muhammad (upon whom be peace), he had the following to say:

"At that time a certain man from along those same sons of Ismael, whose name was Mahmet [i.e., Mụhammad], a merchant, as if by God's command appeared to them as a preacher [and] the path of truth."


1. There are doubts about whether or not the above was actually written by Sebeos.

2. It is only assumed that Sebeos wrote the account and that it is only assumed that it was written in the 660s AD.

Seeing Islam as Others Saw It: A Survey and Evaluation.



  2. the movie at Vimeo is not loading, at least at my end.. here seems to be an alternative
    didn't somebody say, Christianity and Islam would be both Jewish inventions, tools to control the Goiym, until MSM took over that role..

  3. Did you fall and bump your head ?
    Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of God and the Last of the Prophets. (Holy Qur'an 33:40)

    Micheal Hart The 100, a Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History

    My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels

    George Bernard Shaw in "The Genuine Islam"

    I have studied him - the wonderful man - and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity.

    Encyclopedia Britannica
    Mohammed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities.

    Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727

    Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?

    Professor Jules Masserman
    People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same.

    How ignorant can somebody be ? This so called theory has been debunked
    god knows how many times .. Great Scholars and statesman of the past disprove your ridiculous theory .....
    disprove your

    1. Your case seems to be that certain famous men have praised Muhammad.

      Certain famous men have praised George W Bush.

      You do not attempt to deal with any of the points made in the post.

      Why is there no evidence of Islam before the time of Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan?

    2. " Was Caliph Abd Al-Malik the real creator and the prophet"
      Your source is Robert Spencer ! ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

      The man claims to be a Islamic scholar yet can not
      read or write Arabic and only holds a Masters in early Christianity.

      Robert Spencer is a zionist shill that inspired Anders Behring Breivik, the terrorist who slaughtered 77 innocent people.
      In his manifesto Spencer is mentioned over 50 times and he
      suggests that he should win the Nobel Peace Prize.

      There is a website dedicated to Robert Spencer and his lies
      which have been debunked by real scholars.

      I can't believe you have used this Zionist as a main source,its

    3. Robert Spencer is not the main source in the article.

      Spencer is only repeating the points made by others - namely the lack of evidence that Muhammad existed before the time of Abd Al-Malik.

      (Breivik did not kill anyone.)

      - Aangirfan

    4. Spencer is a member of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic counterpart of the ancient Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch.


    1. I have added to the text, to reply to the points made.

      - Aangirfan



  7. A few decades before the rise of Islam the Persians and Romans(Byzantines) fought wars against each other. The Jews rose up against the Byzantines and reputedly massacred the Christians in Palestine. Later, the Emperor Heraclius recaptured Palestine, he allowed a massacre of Jews as revenge. Jews were not allowed live in Jerusalem again until the Arabs conquered the city a couple of decades later.

  8. Go crawl under a rock you jew pervert

  9. the link to the Independent posted in the comments is actually a washington post story, which goes on to claim:

    To some, better than Assad
    Meanwhile, crime has plunged, and for many residents the order is a welcome alternative to the lawlessness that prevailed when more moderate Syrian rebels were in charge. Syrians who lived for decades under the regime of President Bashar al-Assad are accustomed to obeying orders, and many have adapted to the new rules, said a government employee in the former tax department who collects his salary from the government, even though he is no longer working.
    “Daesh are not as cruel as the regime was,” he said....

    in other words, more western anti-assad propaganda.


  11. The source of this article is bitter hate.

  12. There is a strong case to be made that Jesus did,t exist.The Apostles were the ones that supposedly wrote most that is known about Jesus.
    Does it even matter anyway?

    1. There's plenty of information on that topic here:

  13. Did not expect from aanirfan

  14. Koran fragment from the University of Tübingen

    Library has been dated to the 7th century - the earliest phase of Islam - making it at least a century older than previously thought. Expert analysis of three samples of the manuscript parchment concluded that it was more than 95 percent likely to have originated in the period 649-675 AD - 20 to 40 years after the death of the Prophet Mohammed. Such scientific dating of early Koran manuscripts is rare.

    Most likely attributed to Ali Ibn Abu Talib - Cousin of the Prophet. Can elaborate on this, but it requires pages.

  15. Mecca is an allegory for state of consciousness, a higher dimension, Jerusalem is also the same allegory... the real pilgramage is to this higer dimension not some physical place....
    The intellectuals translate books and take it literally... such is the state of poor humanity... esotercists, those with intution, those who follow their tender hearts take a different path

    1. :) (3:7) Some scriptures are allegorical and some are not. No one understands the allegorical stuff except for Allah.

      "He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah."

  16. 'Bitter hate' who what ? Thank you for causing me to write. Anngirfan published this or could be quiet. Or follow the moving and shaking commentators Amis and Ayaan, dem lot. The dark elephant in our room. Anngirfan has the nous in this neck of the web. The neck: the head. Aangs is sharper discernment.

    We must live well and lived well together before the NWO waved the black flags, filled us with fear and filled them with money, drugs (stimulants drive mercenaries and sex offenders).

    flora and mark x

  17. 'Continuous Conversion' from today's 'My Utmost' (Oswald Chambers) '…unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven'. —Matthew 18:3
    flora mark

  18. Was Jesus Julius Caesar?

    Jesus was Caesar – Summary….

    YouTube. Julius Caesar Was Jesus Christ….

  19. Epistemology. The getting of knowledge. There are entire libraries of books written on the subject. They are almost all largely useless.

    Why? Because they are written by rosy-cheeked and innocent academics who assume an informationally-benign epistemic universe.

    In reality, all knowledge has a source. Often sentient sources, people, who have an agenda. Non-Muslims, and Zionists are infamous for this, often wish to discredit Islam. And bankers, of course, have a vested interest in eradicating religious proscriptions against usury. And "Muslims" have their own agenda, often not conscious. The Arab tyrants of Saudi and Qatar, for example, wish to maintain their wealth and power. And, in conjunction with the Zionist and Angloamerican plutocracy, are perfectly prepared to use satanic instruments like ISIS to achieve such ends.

    The only agenda you can trust is the pursuit of metaphysical absolutes: truth, love, justice.
    And these are in diametric opposition to ambitions of the secular world. These are absolutes driven by pure faith. Cleansed of the concerns of this impermanent world we inhabit.

    And to progress beyond this world of animal selfishness, to become more than mere apes, we must be cleansed of the base and selfish aspects of our nature. Even if by fire and pain.

    The English in particular have a long history of misunderstanding Islam.

    The BBC documentary you mention earlier was created by people. With an agenda. Other commenters have observed.

    And I read a story on RT just now about Winston Churchill, the archetypal Englishman. In a recently-discovered letter, his sister-in-law tried to dissuade him from converting to Islam. She needn't have troubled herself, apparently. From Winston's own hand:

    "The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men".

    This betrays the grossest misunderstanding of the religion. The prophet of Islam, peace be to him, what did he do for women? He freed them, gave them property rights, gave them autonomy over their own lives as sovereign individuals, gave them freedom of choice in matters of marriage. Freed them from the tyranny of the pre-Islamic Age of Ignorance. As much as could practically be done within the culture and time.

    Hmm.. "Gave" is maybe the wrong word. He merely elucidated their God-given rights.

    Even aspects that appear discriminatory are simply pragmatic. Frankly, to protect women from the sometimes lustful and violent excesses of men. Neither women nor men are perfect. But they are different. Even in the evils they commit.

    But it is not a surprise Churchill held such beliefs. After all, he learnt them from some of the people most ignorant of Islam. Specifically from "Muslims". People who almost immediately after the death of the prophet, split the pure religion. Into Shi'a and Sunni and more. Schisms from rational, pure universalist monotheism. Now women in much of the Muslim world are more subjugated than under the Quraishi.


  20. Even some of the most intelligent people of green and pleasant Albion have said the most absurd things about Islam.

    In Alan Turing's famous paper "Computing Machinery and Intelligence", he discusses theological objections to machine consciousness. Verbatim:

    "How do Christian regards the Moslem view that women have no souls?"

    Wait... what? Where does he get this little gem from?

    Even the highest orders of genius are capable of holding the most ridiculous and ignorant opinions. The touching beauty of human imperfection.

    Anyway, my point, Aangirfan, is this:

    In your quest for the truth, you must consider the source of your information.

    You, for instance, learn more about the news by knowing intimately who is selling it.

    Interestingly, Islamic scholars are pioneers in the area of pragmatic epistemology and the phylogeny of knowledge. The Hadiths, accounts of incidents in the life of the prophet, are often given reliability ratings of the basis of their line of transmission and the estimated honesty and reliability of each person reporting them. This is why the Sunnah of Al-Bukhari is held in high regard.

    Among non-religious works, Jamshid Tehrani's research is noteworthy: informational evolution and phylogeny. Look up the cladistic tree of ATU 333. This sort of work is just the beginning. An understanding of our place in an evolving informational continuum. The work of God.

    "Ok, here's me planting an idea in your head. I say, 'Don't think about elephants.' What are you thinking about?"

  21. Very many thanks for all the comments. Much appreciated.

    - Aangirfan.

  22. Here are excerpts from references found in Seeing Islam as others saw it : a survey and evaluation of Christian, Jewish, and Zoroastrian writings on early Islam by Robert G. Hoyland:

    The entire book can be downloaded here:

    "But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village; that in league with some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel; that he boasts of having been carried to heaven, where he received in part this unintelligible book, each page of which makes common sense shudder; that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters; that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse, at least if he was not born a Turk, or if superstition has not extinguished all natural light in him."

    Referring to Muhammad, in a letter to Frederick II of Prussia (December 1740), published in Oeuvres complètes de Voltaire, Vol. 7 (1869), edited by Georges Avenel, p. 105.
    – Voltaire

  23. Did Muhammad even exist?

    Professor of Islamic theology questioned the very existence of Muhammad

    German academic Muhammad Sven Kalisch subjected Islam to the same scrutiny that religious scholars bring to the study of Christianity and Judaism – and doubted the very existence of the prophet!

    Kalisch was not the first nor the only scholar to question Muhammad's existence (Professor Karl-Heinz Ohlig is another). Kalisch is no longer a Muslim.

    Search for Islam on the Jesus Never Existed site for more articles.

  24. Sorry, my comment was a bit verbose.

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    My point is: beware your sources.

    They may well have an agenda other than the truth.

    This is certainly true of Robert Spencer, Voltaire and pretty much anyone on the mainstream (read: Zionist) media.

    In the cases of Churchill and Turing that I mentioned, it may be simple benign ignorance, without ulterior intent.

    The only worthwhile source above was the comment with the link, A Koran fragment from the University of Tübingen. It pretty much renders moot the rest.

    But factual and objective information is often considered uninteresting compared to abject preconceived bigotry.

    And, Aangirfan, I really think you would find it very instructive to research who owns and controls what media: TV, publishing, news and movies. And, yes, the BBC. Maybe publish a summary here.


    1. Regarding purveyors of religion, you should definitely beware your sources. They certainly have an agenda other than truth. The book of Genesis begins with two different and contradictory creation myths, which were derived from Babylonian myths, which were derived from Sumerian myths. That is also true of the biblical flood myths. There was no walking talking Yahweh, no Adam, Eve, talking snake, or magical fruit trees, no fall of man, no need for a "savior", no global flood.

      There are hundreds of contradictions, absurdities and falsehoods in the Bible and the Quran. Religion in general and the Abrahamic religions in particular are founded upon lies backed by violence.

      The Skeptic's Annotated Quran

      Absurdity in the Quran

      The Skeptic's Annotated Bible

    2. hi Infidel,

      Thanks for the links. I was hoping there might be some worthwhile content. But it was just sort of Ambrose Bierce without the scintillating wit.

      The idea of monotheism certainly predates the first written account of Genesis. Probably even the extant Hebrew spoken tradition. The idea possibly inspired the cult of Akhenaten, which was systematically erased after his in death favour of the established polytheistic religion of Egypt.

      Infidel, it's possible to twist, mock and maliciously misinterpret pretty much anything, Particularly texts from a prescientific era.

      I don't want to jump to conclusions here, but I guess you're an atheist.

      Atheists tend to be very literal minded. Like children, but without the imagination.

      The sort of people who criticize the ridiculous physics of, say, Battlestar Galactica, and completely miss what is important:
      stories, archetypal themes, the interplay of good and evil, the quest for truth, the redemptive power of love.

      People with eyes who cannot see.
      People concerned with only with surface detail.

      Don't worry. I was like that once.

      Anyway, ignoring religious texts, do you believe it is at least theoretically possible to synthesize a sentience and the world it perceives?

      Do you believe it is possible to preserve a sentient informational construct for an indefinite period of time? An eternity, if you will.

      (It would help if you have a passing familiarity with Shannon and Nyquist.)

      Now let's say, for the purposes of argument, that you were intelligently synthesized. Let's just say. You're capable of hypothetical thought, right?

      Do you believe your Maker would look more kindly on systematic and rational inquiry, or flippant mockery?

      Whether you know it or not, you are a gambler. And you have laid your wager.

      Nonetheless, atheists are also here for a purpose. And their creative thoughts also gently guided.

      In a world filled with liars, atheists can also speak truth. Even if sometimes only in allegorical form.

      "Mum, listen to me. Listen carefully. You're wrong about what happens after you die. It's not an eternity of nothingness."

      And after the world's end, it will be judged who better sought truth.

  25. This is most certainly the case historically. Today, Islam has been rehijacked by the talmudic zionist elite and their political cronies who are determined it remains tarred and feathered as a violent religion while pretending it is a religion of peace. This is how it remains discredited - media comparison & contrast repeated hundreds of times per day across the cable and satellite networks in bloody images and derogatory headlines.
    The very same people have smashed The Roman Catholic Church as a potentially threatening point of resistance using infiltration, pedophilia, sex and money to compromise & pervert it to ruin and now the same pressures are applied exploiting other weaknesses that Islam manifests - the old Judaic principle of eye for eye, tooth for tooth, as the extremists supported by their talmudic zionist paymasters, ensure it remains inherently divided against itself, while violence and aggression scandalise its reputation worldwide.