Thursday 23 June 2016

THE UK SHOULD LEAVE THE EU


Corbyn (officially supports Remain) and Johnson (officially supports Exit).

It all looks rigged?

Jeremy Corbyn - "his political career up to this moment was devoted to opposing the European Union."

"Corbyn voted to leave in 1975 and he would almost certainly do so again if his position were more secure..."

Boris Johnson - "friends believe he is privately committed to the European Union."

Corbyn and Johnson


Brexit Opinion Polls

Johnson - "his father was a member of the European Parliament and he spent many of his formative years in Brussels.

"He can trace his cosmopolitan family history to Turkey, Switzerland and Russia and he has Muslim, Jewish and Christian ancestors."

Corbyn and Johnson


Brendan Cox and his two children travelling by boat to the special service in Trafalgar Square

"Johnson didn't announce which side he was backing until February 21.

"Until then, British Prime Minister David Cameron believed he would back Remain.

"Days before Johnson announced he would support Brexit he told many close friends, including Roland Rudd, a longtime associate, that he would support the campaign to stay...

"Gove told Johnson he was backing Brexit and Johnson feared being outflanked...

"Johnson may emerge in a strong position in the short term no matter which way the vote goes. Corbyn will emerge further discredited whether it’s Yes or No..."

Continued here: Corbyn and Johnson

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 "The EEC and EU were designed in 1942 in Berlin by the Nazis." 


Campaigning for the UK to LEAVE the EU.

The 'Leave' campaign is being run, in the main, by a bunch of unpopular right-wing, pro-Israel, pro-Pentagon characters.

The reasons the Leave campaign are losing the EU referendum.

Is this deliberate?

These 'unpopular right-wing, pro-Israel, pro Pentagon characters' want lower wages and fewer constraints on business.

The CIA's extraordinary renditions and black sites in Europe

Obama has urged the UK to stay in the European Union.

The EU project was originally funded by the CIA.

The European Union always was a CIA project.



Paul Mason, on the the case for Brexit, writes:

1. "The EU is not - and cannot become - a democracy.

"Instead, it provides the most hospitable ecosystem in the developed world for rentier monopoly corporations, tax-dodging elites and organised crime. 



2. "The EU has an executive so powerful it could crush the leftwing government of Greece.

"It has a legislature so weak that it cannot effectively determine laws or control its own civil service.

"It has a judiciary that, in the Laval and Viking judgments, subordinated workers' right to strike to an employer's right do business freely.

"Its central bank is committed, by treaty, to favour deflation and stagnation over growth.

"State aid to stricken industries is prohibited.

"The austerity ... is ...written into the EU treaty as a non-negotiable obligation. So are the economic principles of the Thatcher era."



3. "Europe's leaders still have no workable plan to distribute the refugees..."

...

If the UK stays in the EU, it will be run by a bunch of unpopular right-wing, pro-Israel, pro-Pentagon characters.

If the UK leaves the EU, it could be run by a bunch of unpopular right-wing, pro-Israel, pro-Pentagon characters.

If the UK leaves the EU, it at least has a chance to throw out the unpopular right-wing, pro-Israel, pro-Pentagon characters.


Juncker (left)

1. One of the arguments put forward by those who want the UK to leave the European Union is that the European Union is led by people like Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the European Commission.

Juncker, the former Prime Minister of Luxembourg, has partial Jewish ancestry.

Brabantian reminds us that in 2013, "Luxembourg courts declared Juncker guilty of playing a role in the cover-up of the actions of the Luxembourg policemen who conducted Luxembourg's early 1980s Operation Gladio bombings."

In the 1980s, "Luxembourg spies were involved in a series of bombings...

"Together with military and intelligence agents from multiple European countries, they were part of Operation Gladio, a clandestine illegal paramilitary organization."

Juncker was aware of the actions of these 'terrorists' but took no action.

The terrorist activities of Gladio were organised by the CIA and its friends.

Luxembourg Prime Minister Juncker Resigns .



The CIA is linked to the child abuse rings and terrorist attacks used by the elite to control the countries of Europe.

LEON BRITTAN AND MARC DUTROUX 

Of course, if the UK wants to loosen the grip of the CIA and its friends, it also has to leave NATO.

An 'independent' Scotland would not be truly independent if it was in both the EU and NATO.

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2. One of the arguments put forward by those who want the UK to leave the European Union is that a UK outside the EU could become like Switzerland, which is neither in the EU nor in NATO.

Switzerland is regarded as being wealthier and happier than the UK.

Switzerland officially the happiest country on Earth.

The EU takes almost half of British exports.

"If Britain left the EU but wanted full access to the European single market, "it would have to observe almost all the EU's rules.

"That is the case in Norway and Switzerland, non-members that both also pay into the EU budget (in Norway’s case, roughly 90% of Britain’s net contribution per head)."

The reluctant European | The Economist.

snbchf.com.

A post-British-exit Britain "would be excluded from the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)".

The reluctant European | The Economist.

The TTIP is seen as being a tool by which big American corporations will control countries who are part of the partnership.

catchyagency.com.

3. If the UK leaves the EU, that does not guarantee an end to Globalisation, the process by which American companies end up controlling everything and end up moving their factories to 'cheap labour' countries.

If the UK wants to be 'independent' it has to build up its own industries.


Airports used by the CIA or its torture programme. It looks like Scotland and Ireland are already controlled by the CIA. Bush and Cheney - trial for war crimes.

4. There is a danger that if the UK leaves the EU it could become even more of a colony of the USA.

Many of the UK politicians who want the UK to leave the EU are very pro-USA and very pro-Israel.

"William Hague offered the US ambassador a 'pro-American' government. 

"Hague also said the entire Conservative leadership were, like him, 'staunchly Atlanticist'..."

pro-American regime.


Evelyn de Rothschild

5. Obama has urged the UK to stay in the European Union.

Other people urging the UK to stay in the European Union include:

Peter Mandelson (friend of the Rothschilds)Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch.

Conclusion:

The UK should leave the EU, and it should also leave NATO.


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41 Comments:

At 18 October 2015 at 05:04 , Anonymous sovereigntea said...

Another chapter in the 40 year program of strategic sabotage concurrent with EU membership.

Steel is essential to maintaining the nations defences.

Recall Britain's former fishing industry destroyed by the EU with a great deal of assistance from the Royal Navy and Westminster vermin.

http://www.hulltrawler.net/Photo-Homepage/Fish%20Dock%201.jpg

Whats left of the steel industry going the same way.

Tata 'to close' Scotland's last major steelworks
BBC News‎ - 2 days ago

Redcar steel plant to close with 1,700 job losses | Business ...
www.theguardian.com › Business › Manufacturing sector
28 Sep 2015 -

Scunthorpe steel plant owned by Tata Steel could see up to 1000 job cuts
International Business Times UK‎ - 2 days ago

A Google search for closed German steel plants reveals nothing

According to http://en.stahl-online.de/index.php/topics/economics/steel-industry-in-germany/

Steel companies: indispensable for the economy

Germany is the largest steel producer in the EU and the seventh largest in the world. As a basic industry, the steel sector is of particular importance for the value-creation chains, and is the backbone of Germany’s economy.
Europe’s leading steel location

Germany, with annual production of almost 43 million tonnes of crude steel in 2014, is the world’s seventh-largest steel producer and the largest in the European Union (EU 28). Germany is responsible for 2,6 per cent of world production, or a quarter of crude steel production in the EU. With 17.2 billion euros, the steel industry in Germany is responsible for about 30 per cent of the value creation achieved by the European steel industry.

About two-thirds of steel in Germany is produced in integrated steel mills (blast furnace, steelworks and rolling mill), the remaining third via the electric steel route. The manufacture of hot-rolled finished products totalled 36.5 m. tonnes in 2014. Most were flat products (65 per cent), with long products making up the remaining 35 per cent. Stainless and alloyed steels make up over 50 per cent of total production and thus have a higher status here than is internationally usual (approx. 30 per cent). North Rhine-Westphalia is the German state that produces the most steel – about 40 per cent.


 
At 18 October 2015 at 05:11 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/17/nato-s-humanitarian-intervention-in-libya-exacerbated-humanitarian-suffering/

 
At 18 October 2015 at 09:12 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I'm very happy to finally see someone posting about McCollum and his "8 Planks" used on Japan to provoke them into war. Many warnings were given to Roosevelt up to a year of the impending invasion on Pearl Harbor while a direct warning came from Australian seamen a week before the incident. Roosevelt paid no mind but had the forethought to reposition the U.S. aircraft carriers to the other side of the island. I've said it before and I'll say it in perpetuity, if one of the supposed BEST presidents of the united states is willing to sacrifice 3000 servicemen at Pearl Harbor, the WORST president EVER wouldn't bat an eyelash at sacrificing 3000 U.S. Citizens.

AkhaldanSolo

 
At 18 October 2015 at 09:27 , Blogger Olive Farmer said...

Don't publish this if you don't want to, but why is it that influential sites like yours never try to organise and act as a gathering place for those who see the wrongs in this world and wonder if, collectively, all of us conspiracy nut cases and "truthers" could make something happen to change things?
http://olivefarmercrete.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/time-to-fight-back.html

 
At 18 October 2015 at 11:20 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure that must have been the storyline that was used to help ol' "Lips" Bush Jr. convince his alters that he was in the right, even though his other alters couldn't hide the guilt on his dumb fumbling face. I'll bet their are quite a few inside jokes as to how goofy and dumb the Bush Family really is among the elite, even though they will be venerated as the most prolific Nazi infiltrators in history, and even more jokes about the American people for falling for his lies.

"I know how hard it is to put food on your family"

"Fool me once... shame on the fool.. fool me twice... well then you can't fool me again"

Oh... My... God...

AkhaldanSolo

 
At 18 October 2015 at 11:29 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

just who?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-abu-musab-al-zarqawi-from-al-zarqawi-to-al-bagdahdi-the-islamic-state-is-a-cia-mossad-mi6-intelligence-asset/5391731

 
At 18 October 2015 at 11:29 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/vietnam-from-national-liberation-to-trans-pacific-ally-1975-2015/5482810

 
At 18 October 2015 at 11:30 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-destruction-of-serbias-cultural-heritage-twitter-campaign-nokosovounesco-launched/5482636

 
At 18 October 2015 at 11:36 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hear hear, Aang.

When Blair, Obama, Mandelson & Murdoch speak in favour of a thing (assuming they are sincere, which in this case I believe they are) that's a very big clue that the thing in question is Not Good.

 
At 18 October 2015 at 11:53 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-arbitrary-killings-and-brutalities-caught-on-camera-euro-med-monitor-report/5482637

http://www.globalresearch.ca/videos-challenge-israeli-police-account-of-shootings-directed-against-palestinians/5482605

 
At 18 October 2015 at 12:02 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277928/Labour-s-John-McDonnell-pressure-inviting-9-11-conspriacy-theorists-anti-war-event-Parliament.html

 
At 18 October 2015 at 12:09 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278001/Pictures-inside-hospital-hit-bombs-revealed-time-Charity-boss-claims-site-deliberately-targeted-wants-attack-killed-22-people-investigated-war-crime.html

 
At 18 October 2015 at 12:34 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again, excuse my comments for being slightly off track, but even though it all relates I get the feeling your post headline is rhetorical and answers itself.

Yet, another point I wanted to make about the information you provide here at your blog (of which I do encourage readers to download and save) is that one does not have to go far to corroborate the claims made here and even the mainstream news is giving away HUGE hints as to how the elite really behave. Just yesterday in the DailyFail was an expose on the very young starlet Elizabeth Taylor and how they were bantering over how young she was when she lost her virginity. Regardless the ages they were batting around they were nonetheless very illegal, even for that time and the Mail nary a mention of the severity of the crimes implied or actual (one rape accusation). She was also nonetheless convinced she should use her sexuality very early on (MK'd). She had some very high profile rapists (the DailyFail likes to call them suitors) including a U.S. President. And to think the squeaky clean image we were all fed about Reagen. Mickey Rooney is also there which Aang has also covered. JFK is on the list this week coming out as bisexual. Taylor was also a high profile friend to Michael Jackson, imagine the connections there. So you see, the paradigm is being deconstructed for the masses as the black race is seeing Cosby fall so will others 'heroes' of the past century be exposed for who they really are.

Hold on its going to be a bumpy ride.

AkhaldanSolo

 
At 18 October 2015 at 12:43 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another thought, pondering on the intelligence of Ol Lips, and even Poppy, I am wondering, if the rumor is true, how much of Ol Barbara's Daddy's genes crept up into any of those boys? Looks like Ol Jeb is the one to carry those ones on through. Methinks that is why he is finally up on the roster.

ASolo

 
At 18 October 2015 at 15:20 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many people say that we should not even be in the EU. Many people say that we are only in the EU because ultra powerful wealthy Zionist Jews black mailed Edward Heath and other politicians into deceiving the public and delivering the UK into the hands of the EU. Many people say the same Hostile Elite has masterminded the destruction of Europe and the Genocide of White Europeans by orchestrating the mass non-White wave of immigration solely into White European countries. There are now 5,000 a day arriving in Croatia alone:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34567247

 
At 18 October 2015 at 17:48 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO 2 Westmonster
NO 2 NATO
NO 2 EU
NO 2 Rothschilds
NO 2 Royals

(See! Scots don't always say yes!!)

WE NEED 2 GET AWAY.FROM THE WHOLE LOT
Yesterday ain't quick enough for my liking

 
At 18 October 2015 at 17:52 , Blogger Big E said...

Should the UK (corporation) leave the EU (corporation)? It matters not, for it is the exact same entity!

 
At 19 October 2015 at 04:23 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to be very pro EU as I loved their culture and social democracy. But it looked like the EU citizens were tricked as it became more and more a neoliberal bankers paradise without hem knowing..

The EU currency and the European Central Bank was designed by professors at the Chicago School of economics exactly to destroy European social democratic welfare state, according to Greg Palast, an investigative economist and author.

Greg Palast trained under Milton Friedman at the Chicago School where became his top pupil. And Greg Palast would stay behind after the maths lessons to work on complex mathematical formula with a teacher.who was developing some of the advanced mathematical equations that neoliberal/ neoclassical economists still use today. But Greg Palast hated neoliberalism and he only went to the Chicago School as an infiltrator.

I was also naïve about the immigration as I was so inspired by the rich northern European model. And I didn't think that the eastern Europeans would come over by the millions. I have now found out that the neoliberals, both left and right, want to reduce EU workers wages so that EU countries can compete with China and India, or wherever the wages are lowest.

But the original idea of Europe was an internal market protecting wages and the European way of life. Some people might think that too higher wages will cause problems making products more expensive, but it actually the other way around, or rather there is an optimum wage where things work best.

Wen peoples wages are good there is a healthy demand for goods and services, and then businesses do well and employ more staff which also increase customers for businesses. A country then becomes prosperous and can afford social democracy and a welfare state for those of us who become ill, or are born with difficulties and chronic illnesses.

The EU was lowering the working hourly week until neoliberalism came along and put it in the reverse direction. But with machines and computers doing so much of the work it made sense to cut back on the amount of time people spent at work while keeping the wages the same, which ensures that there is still plenty of demand for products and services, or that unemployment doesn't rise. But the 1% make more money out of globalisation and prefer raw competition to make everyone work much harder so they have forced European workers to compete with the third world by removing tariffs, and also by their pro immigration policies. But it needn't this way, we are fed so much propaganda.

 
At 25 May 2016 at 01:59 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was always very pro EU as I liked their social democracies. I hated right wing Britain and wished we were more like France. But the EU has become the bankers paradise moving towards Thatcherism. I feel cheated.

Greg Palest say's that the Euro was developed in the monetarist Chicago School, Milton Friedman's old university, to destroy Europe's social democracy. Because the EU central bank is not allowed give money to governments, unless they are bailing out the ruling class, the bankers, then European governments have no choice but to privatise if they need money, or to borrow it from private banks, or raise taxes.

So the Conservatives and the neoliberals have become the high tax parties, but poor government services. A vote loser but the oligarch owned press will keep it quite.

Democracy is hard work, the politicians would sooner just leave everything to the market and concentrate on making money. I'm not keen on Nigel Farage much but he said that he supports Jeremy Corbyn because at least he's a proper socialist. Well, I admire Nigel Farage in a way for at least being a conviction politician with genuine passion.

 
At 25 May 2016 at 02:21 , Anonymous bum said...

Why is 'remain' winning?,well it's the economy stupid. Assuming remain is winning that is, I don't believe for a moment that the polls aren't rigged but that's not the point I really want to make here.

The remainers are harping on about the potential economic downside of Brexit. That of course is all of they've got, as everyone knows the arguments of sovereignty and democracy can't be won by 'remain'. Questions of security come next, and I think most people see through that, so all that's left is the economy.

The repeated lies put out by remain are the classic example of saying a lie often enough then it becomes the truth. 'Leave' and it's supporters need to counter this to win, the arguments should be around trading with the Commonwealth as a bloc and whomever we choose to deal with, and that EU countries will still be more than happy to sell to us as they have to, EU exports twice to the UK versus the value from UK to Europe. Also, 'remain' need to be played at their own game, the message of fear that the financial dominance of London is under threat from the EU (which it most certainly is by the way) should be the mantra.

 
At 25 May 2016 at 12:58 , Anonymous brabantian said...

Mid-level European Commission staff often secretly favour Britain leaving the EU, as they feel Brexit would be a needed kick in the arse which would enable the EU to reform itself, before it destroys itself (along with staff member pensions)

They also feel Brexit will help accelerate the inevitable process by which all the Mediterranean countries will leave the euro currency, the sooner the better

Aangirfan has written about the dodgy aspects of the UK vote-counting machines, apparently similar to the scandals with the Yank vote-counting machines, perhaps able to budge the totals a significant number of percentage points

So another stitch-up is perhaps to be expected

 
At 3 June 2016 at 16:22 , Blogger Pufferfish said...

Absolutely. Why are people being so blinkered and getting drawn into this political farce. There is no real vote, no real win and no gain. The elite are watching with great humour. Let's not lose sight of the 'real' issues.

 
At 6 June 2016 at 12:46 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Britain will never leave the EU: Uncle Sam would lose its Trojan horse. Dear Gualle was right and that's why the yanks got rid of him. Incidentally Danny Cohn-Bendit was working for the CIA all along.

 
At 23 June 2016 at 01:44 , Anonymous brabantian said...

Joseph Stalin said:

"You know, comrades ... I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this - who will count the votes, and how!"

- Josef Stalin, quoted in 'Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary' (1992), by Boris Bazhanov

 
At 23 June 2016 at 01:57 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mark-carney-governor-of-the-bank-of-goldman-sachs/5512969

 
At 23 June 2016 at 01:59 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/goldman-pledges-substantial-six-figure-sum-to-british-pro-eu-group-report/5502804

http://www.globalresearch.ca/brexit-market-volatility-the-big-financial-blockbuster-three-scenarios/5532345

 
At 23 June 2016 at 02:09 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/brexit-what-is-it-about-what-is-at-stake/5532326

 
At 23 June 2016 at 02:41 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1269378/David-Cameron-Boris-Johnson-scions-royal-blood.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183858/All-presidents-bar-directly-descended-medieval-English-king.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/04/awaken-to-the-truth-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-are-related-by-royal-british-bloodline-3343105.html

 
At 23 June 2016 at 02:47 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.sabinabecker.com/2013/09/daniel-cohn-bendit-and-the-german-greens-pedophile-problem.html

 
At 23 June 2016 at 02:54 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

USING HAARP TO STOP BRITS FROM VOTING, RINGS ANY BELL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3655732/Torrential-rain-storms-spark-travel-chaos-early-hours-EU-referendum-day.html

 
At 23 June 2016 at 02:56 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The EU was financed mainly by the Marshall Plan which was supposed to be to HELP 'rebuild' Europe. Well they did, didn't they. Even Turkey got some.

 
At 23 June 2016 at 03:01 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3655236/Nailed-four-big-EU-lies-Talks-Turkey-stall-Brexit-WON-T-spark-trade-war-say-Germans-Brussels-NOT-reform-open-borders-deportation-jobless-EU-migrants-myth.html

 
At 23 June 2016 at 03:05 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3655560/Betrayal-Britain-years-ago-GEORGE-MacDONALD-FRASER-penned-savage-attack-EU-pygmy-politicians-Unashamedly-patriotic-blisteringly-provocative-prescient-Just-prescient-decide.html

 
At 23 June 2016 at 03:22 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

problem its been around since a very long time

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3654200/Are-enter-Hunger-Games-Hunting-HUMANS-hobby-rich-100-years.html

 
At 23 June 2016 at 04:04 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jo Cox Update - Bent Judge? - Nick Kollerstrom

Jo Cox - Nothing Adds Up - The presiding Judge is the same one who oversaw the Lee Rigby trial and released Lord Janner from facing trial for pedophilia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8V_xDSN8QU

 
At 23 June 2016 at 04:04 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/brexit-global-trigger-event-fake-out-or-something-else.html

 
At 23 June 2016 at 04:23 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Brexit Vote Will Be Rigged

Of course if the oligarchs continue rigging elections to such an extreme degree as to obviously “defy the polls”, reasonable people will begin to get suspicious. Thus, as Brexit nears, we see the oligarchs attempting a new tactic: falsifying political polls. Last week ; three, separate UK polls were released on the Brexit campaign. All three polls showed a statistically significant majority in favor of “leaving” (the European Union). Just one day later; the Corporate media came out with this headline.
Fresh polls show Brexit vote swinging back to ‘remain’
Imagine that! Just 24 hours after several independent polls showed a significant majority in favor of Brexit, we’re told that there are two “new polls” which show British voters flip-flopping in their support.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-17/brexit-vote-will-be-rigged

 
At 23 June 2016 at 06:26 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

No. This Leave movement is rotten to the core and must be defeated. I have little doubt the referendum campaign has been a stitch-up - but that doesn't mean there isn't an important choice. Vote Remain.

 
At 23 June 2016 at 08:32 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Aang, this surprised me, I thought Bernie Ecclestone would be a raging neoliberal, but he's even pro Putin, and anti US. Like me.


Bernie Ecclestone, business magnate


LEAVE: "I want us to leave Europe... [Vladimir Putin]is the guy who should run Europe. He will sort out this other business that is going on in Syria."

 
At 23 June 2016 at 11:59 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good that you have a chance to express your opinion (or repeat someone else's).

Totally disagree, vote Leave.

 
At 23 June 2016 at 12:35 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the vote will be a large majority to leave which will then be rigged, or if it's too big to rig it will be ignored. Hopefully this failure to honor the vote will lead to the formation of new political parties, on a solid platform to leave the EU and with firm mandates (majority support!) to do it.

These parties could change our politics greatly because so many influential people will have been denied democracy - not just the poor, old and disabled - so we may gain something out of it in the end, the disempowering of the corrupt two main parties.

 

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